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To: Bonemaker

That’s essentially correct but not always. Some elders or authorities are nearly always “sie” and small children are nearly always “du” but it’s very easy to find yourself in a seeming gray area, getting it wrong and insulting some burgher or hausfrau by sounding too distant (snobbish) or seemingly treating them like a child. Obviously I never fully mastered it despite a semester of immersion in Trier.


43 posted on 12/15/2017 8:38:00 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Like incorrect grammar in any language although Germans seem a little more sensitive. Lots of nuance and situational stuff...declension, gender etc. (We have only one “the”!)

2 years in high school and one year in college. Stationed in WesT Berlin in ‘60’s. Maintained a basically C level of proficiency for the Air Force. Been many years since those days.

Must have been a great experience at Universität Trier!


44 posted on 12/15/2017 9:01:50 AM PST by Bonemaker (White Southerners have been under attack since 1860.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
That’s essentially correct but not always. Some elders or authorities are nearly always “sSie” and small children are nearly always “du” but it’s very easy to find yourself in a seeming gray area, getting it wrong and insulting some burgher or hausfrau by sounding too distant (snobbish) or seemingly treating them like a child.

Actually, it's even more nuanced.

Speaking to a noble lord: Ihr (2nd Person Plural Intimate = the standard way of addressing a plurality of children, family members, close friends, etc.); the Possessive is "Euer" - hence, "Ihr ergebenster Diener" - your humble servant. But also still used in some dialects, e.g., when an old market woman addresses me, an obviously high-class person.

Speaking to a coachman or other subservient person: Er or sie: Er bringt mir meinen Hut und Gehstock! = "Bring me my hat and cane!" (Literally: "He brings me...")

Ich verbleibe

Euer ergebenster Diener!

54 posted on 12/15/2017 1:11:25 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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