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To: Pecos; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican
>> We got both the 16th (federal income tax) and the 17th from the most dangerous president of the 20th century <<

You got the 16th amendment from that wonderful, pre-17th amendment "senate of the states". All those awesome state government appointed senators were quite happy to pass a national income tax.

>> Wilson, yet another “Progressive”. <<

Indeed. So much for the argument that "the Democrats were the conservative party back then" and the two parties later "switched sides" when the south started voted Republican.

11 posted on 12/21/2017 7:05:17 AM PST by BillyBoy (States rights is NOT a suicide pact.)
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To: Pecos; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican
>> Back to the 17th, the question is why even have a US Senate, to begin with? What purpose does it serve under the 17th Amendment? <<

The Senate represents GEOGRAPHIC interests. The House represents POPULATION interests. That was ALWAYS the MAIN reason for creating a Senate, and both before and after the 17th amendment, the function of the Senate and the type of representation it employs hasn't changed. Politicians who represent an entire state have a vastly different constituency than those who represent a small gerrymandered region within the state, thus Senator Ted Cruz represents entirely different interests than Congresswoman Shelia Jackson-Lee, even though they both come from Texas. So does Senator Diane Feinstein and Congressman Tom McClintock, even though they are both from California.

An entire state cannot be gerrymandered, thus its constituency will not change, as opposed to a house district, which can be created or redrawn to represent whatever kind of constituency the state legislators wish it to represent.

If you can't understand this basic function of the United States Senate, you should consider retaking a basic high school level civics course.

14 posted on 12/21/2017 7:13:38 AM PST by BillyBoy (States rights is NOT a suicide pact.)
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To: BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican

And the Civil War was actually all about “tariffs”, which were evil back when the cotton industry opposed them and are now wonderful since Southern textile manufacturers would benefit instead of suffer from them, and you’re a “free traitor” and a “gloBULList shill” if you say otherwise.


17 posted on 12/21/2017 7:22:39 AM PST by Impy (I have no virtue to signal.)
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