Posted on 12/28/2017 2:06:32 PM PST by otness_e
I have never liked Star Wars. Saw the first film on its initial release and never saw another film in the series. To me it was simplistic, trite cowboys and indians in a futuristic setting, done better and more honestly by a host of Hollywood westerns. Star Wars is dreck in my view.
Thanks. I needed that. I’ll probably do an improved topic, since I’m doubtful I can edit my original post.
I meant to write earlier, but didn’t, that it was more likely than not that leftism always motivated Lucas. While it’s difficult on my phone to clearly read his original writing, this certainly adds weight to the claim, since it actually was written at the time and not “remembered” decades later. The interview you linked was wet after the fact.
Still, even in his handwritten notes he says “Amerca ten years from now” after “gangsters assasinated the Emperor.” So, until I can read the entire context of the original outline, just exactly how “anti American” Lucas thinking was is still debatable in my mind. I think it’s highly likely he was more “anti Nixon” despite the fact that American involvement in Vietnam was largely due to JFK and LBJ.
In any case, I still contend that the original film as it appeared on the screen was almost devoid of politics. It really was an old fashioned, lightweight Saturday afternoon serial updated with modern production values.
You don’t need to repost it. You’ll lose the replies. FReepers can open those links if they wish.
Just keep this in mind for future posts.
There were no blacks in star wars, of course it was the left’s vision. And storm troopers should have pointed helmets.
Well if some people think it’s about Satan, communism, homosexuality or whatever....that’s fine...but there’s always pizzagate....
We saw it opening day. We let nostalgia rule us and thought it was fun. My husband and I went a second time, this with my brother and our son, who is on leave from the Army.
The second time, we realized what a hot mess it was. My son flat out hated it. Despised the Rebels, especially purple haired commander Evening Dress and the lack of discipline and communication. My husband hated the anti-male attitude. We all wanted Kylo to really embrace the Dark side and stop being a wimp. Hated the Asian chick, still want Finn to go splat. Rey is still a Mary Sue and no one liked Leia space ghost!
So upon review, yikes! What were they thinking? We don’t high hopes for the future with Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson at the helm.
It’s called freedom of speech. Both sides use it...and I’m glad they do.
The problem with this article is the galactic empire far more closely resembled the USSR than the US. They didn’t care about their troops, their leaders were sadistic monsters who punished failure with execution. And they brought oppression and slavery where ever they went.
Movies are more than their creators intent and the original 3 films embodied a lot of American values: Love of freedom. Love of family. Sticking up for one’s friends. Fighting against oppression. Honoring and caring for the people fighting for you.
If they were intended to be liberal then Lucas left out all the liberal PC correctness typically required to be a liberal film.
And sure the Ewoks were an allegory for Vietnam, but not a very convincing one. And the Ewoks were by far the least liked portion of the original 3 films because they didn’t really fit the universe.
I always thought that the revolutionary war was a better metaphor for Star Wars. If ever there was a ragtag bunch of rebels facing down an all-powerful empire, it was in 1776.
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He is clearly anti-Nixon, since he made it VERY clear in his development notes for Return of the Jedi that he modeled Palpatine after, you guessed it, Richard Nixon.
However, him not only demonizing American involvement in Vietnam, but going so far as to outright root for the Vietcong and even manipulate audiences into doing so, does in fact point to him being anti-American in outlook. Protesting against American involvement is ONE thing, and there have been people who utterly hated Communists who still thought America being in Vietnam was a mistake, but to outright root for the Vietcong? That’s a different kettle of fish altogether.
So far as the handwritten notes, unfortunately, that page and the picture of the notes are the only copies I could find. It’s funny, you’d think they’d show the full notes to us.
If you’re referring to my post number 28, of course leftists are using the First Amendment. The trouble is few on the right are paying attention because “it’s only a movie.”
You are probably correct, and he wouldn’t be the first or the last to hold such views without thinking about the Vietnamese and Cambodian people who didn’t enjoy the socialist paradise that they found themselves in after 1975.
Yeah, and that’s what enrages me the most about this revelation. By the time A New Hope was released, he should have learned by that point with the influx of Vietnamese refugees arriving in America (not to mention the whole Khmer Rouge business that occurred as a direct result of their actions) what his so-called “heroes” were truly like, and he STILL gloats about how the Empire is America and the Rebels are Vietcong members, and if anything he decided to double down in Return of the Jedi. It actually makes me sick.
I grew up in Dunwoody, Georgia, not many Vietnamese people lived in that state, let alone that community, but I definitely encountered a few janitors at Austin Elementary, Montgomery Elementary, and Peachtree Charter Middle School who were not only of Vietnamese origin, but had been refgees from Vietnam (heck, at least one actually had his jaw smashed by the Vietcong). If even a guy like me who hailed from a state where Vietnamese refugees were a very tiny minority could find this out and learn this, a guy who spent his entire LIFE in California, one of two states where the vast majority of Vietnamese refugees from the reunified Vietnam settled (the other being Nevada) most certainly could learn about it.
I notice that Jane Fonda never did move to a Commnist country to live under Communsm. She said that we’d all want to live under Communism if we only understood what it was.
Why didn’t she give up her wealth and left a Socialidt State tell her where she should live, how she will earn her keep, snd what a ‘fair wage’ is for what she does?
They were Vietcong, though, which is close enough.
I would assume the Rebels were a mixture of the VC and the North Vietnamese Army.
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