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AUTONOMOUS CARS Motorcyclist Sues GM Over Crash With Self-Driving Chevy Bolt
Jalopnik ^ | 1/23/18 | Justin T. Westbrook

Posted on 01/23/2018 10:42:53 PM PST by Impala64ssa

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To: TheNext

Unlike people, they don’t get drunk and they don’t text while driving. I had to stop bicycle commuting because texting drivers make it too dangerous.


21 posted on 01/24/2018 3:09:02 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: seawolf101

I used to motorcycle commute. What’s save my butt on many occasions was this simple rule: assume you are invisible. It let you drive anyway you want, knowing you’re responsible for whether or not you get hit. I never did. Get hit.


22 posted on 01/24/2018 3:11:06 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: TheNext
Yeah. That's why we need intelligent guns . . . NOT!
23 posted on 01/24/2018 3:43:16 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Trolley Problem Suppose that a judge or magistrate is faced with rioters demanding that a culprit be found for a certain crime and threatening otherwise to take their own bloody revenge on a particular section of the community. The real culprit being unknown, the judge sees himself as able to prevent the bloodshed only by framing some innocent person and having him executed.

This is precisely the story of RINO Jim Ryan framing Rolando Cruz and Richard M Daley framing the Ford Heights Four. In both cases, the politician thought the voters demanded law n order more than justice and pandered to the voters to posture for future elections.

The kneejerk reaction was to ban capital punishment rather than to punish mis-behaving lawyers.

24 posted on 01/24/2018 4:01:28 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: Impala64ssa
We may never know what really happened but I have observed a lot of stupid riders over the years - trying to take advantage of gaps that are not designed as lanes in order to get the thrill of the "swoop" as they power up, lean one way and then the other to get through a place that is not a "protected as a right of way". Done it a time or two myself in the younger days but youthful exuberance and lack of thinking persists among many.

Not a fan of driver-less cars and love bikes and many of those who ride them, but reality is what reality is.

25 posted on 01/24/2018 4:19:53 AM PST by trebb (I stopped picking on the mentally ill hypocrites who pose as conservatives......;-))
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To: Impala64ssa

Wait until a robot 18-wheeler takes out a school bus.


26 posted on 01/24/2018 4:31:26 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Moonman62

In Germany, slower traffic keeps right.


27 posted on 01/24/2018 4:33:45 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: robroys woman

When I’m driving on a multilane road and there’s an open lane to the left and right of a slower moving vehicle, the Libertarian going 30 mph over the limit will pass on the right 9 times out of 10. I think they figure the cops are less likely to notice if they pass on the right.


28 posted on 01/24/2018 4:53:18 AM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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...the Libertarian going 30 mph over the limit will pass on the right 9 times out of 10. I think they figure the cops are less likely to notice if they pass on the right.


That’s one reason. The other is that I peruse trucker sites and videos and they HATE when people pass them on the right. It’s rife with blind spots. It’s my way of reminding them that if there is an empty lane to the right of them they are essentially occupying two lanes. That’s not acceptable.

I’m seriously thinking of spending the $15 for that mirror image message for the top of my windshield that says “Slower traffic move right”.


29 posted on 01/24/2018 5:34:59 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: robroys woman

So they really aren’t taking two lanes, but you’re trying to enforce a law that doesn’t exist by doing something that’s not safe.


30 posted on 01/24/2018 5:40:51 AM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom; Impala64ssa; Moonman62; seawolf101

Pinging this group because they offered insights relative to those blaming bikers generally (I’m just assuming that, like all news articles, we’re getting a biased fraction of the story).

I’ve long suspected that in a dilemma, autonomous cars will be programmed to kill motorcyclists because lib programmers, social norms, or both, will declare the biker (pick one or several):

- An ‘idiot’ on a ‘crotch rocket’
- Knowing the risk he took
- “I knew a...” (whatever anecdotal scary thing happened)
- By being on a ‘donor’cycle, inherently less important than anything else the car might hit.

See https://www.technologyreview.com/s/542626/why-self-driving-cars-must-be-programmed-to-kill/ for how this will play out; when it’s not just a crash but a fatality, the larger part of people will all but cheer.

For the record: I do ride when the white slippery stuff isn’t covering the road; am clearly recognizable as a can of (popular lemon-lime carbonated beverage) by bright green bike, hi-viz helmet, and 3M reflective stripes; and ride sanely — and still have drivers, often with one or both hands full of food/smokes/phones/whatever, commit attempted murder against me several times weekly.


31 posted on 01/24/2018 5:46:18 AM PST by No.6
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Lane splitting may be legal in CA but only a moron would do it. It is stupidity on wheels.


32 posted on 01/24/2018 5:47:22 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Ban pre-shredded cheese now! Make America Grate Again.)
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To: Moonman62

So they really aren’t taking two lanes, but you’re trying to enforce a law that doesn’t exist by doing something that’s not safe.


the word “safe” has no meaning without a qualifier. It’s safe the way I do it because I’m watching for them to pull into my lane. What makes it dangerous is drivers that have no clue that the truck driver can’t see them.

What I’m doing is obeying the law in a way that truck drivers don’t like. It’s a psychology thing. If a truck driver hates getting passed on the right, and keeps getting passed on the right, he subconsciously will start trying to stay in the right lane if it is empty and there is not an on-ramp.

I’ve had truck drivers pull into my lane FAST at the last second. I do a lot of long distance freeway driving and have methodologies I use to prevent getting stuck behind a truck slowly passing another truck. I’ve had to pass on the shoulder 7 or 8 times in my life. I’ve got dash cam footage of cars getting cut off by trucks and literally pushed into the left shoulder, as well as ones that result in minor road rage.

Bottom line is I see drivers as drivers, regardless of what they drive. There are good and bad drivers, be they operating a car, a truck or a motorcycle. I avoid the bad ones and drive extremely assertively to the point that it occasionally becomes aggressive. But only occasionally.

One fun thing is that during bad show and salt days I leave the sports car at home and drive a first generation Scion xB that I nailed a deer with about three years ago. I’ve got one good headlight and an LED light setup on the other side. People noticeably don’t like me being behind them because the damage suggests that I rear-end people. It’s almost like driving a cop car. People get out of your way even more than with a sports car.


33 posted on 01/24/2018 5:52:32 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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“.... that’s pretty normal since it’s a six-lane freeway”

On a six lane highway the far right TWO lanes are the most dangerous places for a truck to be.

Think a minute.
99% of traffic entering or exiting the highway does so in the far right lane. There are the occasional left lane exits but they are the exception, not the rule.

By staying in the center lanes truckers are actually increasing your chances of a safe commute by taking themselves out of the path of accelerating and slowing traffic that intermingles at entry/exit points.
I know this due to seventeen years of otr trucking.
Believe me, worse accidents occur when large vehicles with little maneuverability are limited to right lanes.

Get over your pet peeve and see the whole picture.


34 posted on 01/24/2018 6:48:20 AM PST by oldvirginian (Its for the children and kick the can down the road. Two phrases that make my trigger finger twitch.)
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To: oldvirginian

By staying in the center lanes truckers are actually increasing your chances of a safe commute by taking themselves out of the path of accelerating and slowing traffic that intermingles at entry/exit points.


This is explicitly why I mentioned, quite on purpose, on ramps. But on I-65 in Kentucky there are many miles between on-ramps and fairly light traffic. And to be frank, it’s easy to see the on-ramp from a distance and they are quite often unoccupied.

I expect them to move over (to the center lane) when approaching an on-ramp.

BTW they are not allowed in the far left lane, at all. I see a lot of them pulled over by the state police a short distance after the rule begins, just south of Louisville, southbound. Roughly one every other day on my commute.


35 posted on 01/24/2018 7:17:32 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: Moonman62

Doesn’t matter if I read the article. Deep Pockets will be sued. There is a Tesla on autopilot crash into a firetruck this morning, same idea.


36 posted on 01/24/2018 7:17:54 AM PST by DaxtonBrown
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To: Impala64ssa

This is the “pro” lane-splitting argument from an American motorcyclists organization:

”Reducing a motorcyclist’s exposure to vehicles that are frequently accelerating and decelerating on congested roadways can be one way to reduce rear-end collisions for those most vulnerable in traffic.”

Are not other cars “exposed to vehicles that are frequently accelerating and decelerating on congested roadways??

Is not the “pro” argument actually an admission that the motorcyclist has a harder time making quick adjustments in congested traffic (braking at slow speeds, keeping balance, or dropping foot to secure the motorcycle is held upright). Whereas a car driver has zero “adjustment” to make to the upright balance of the motor vehicle just because it must slow down a lot, or even stop.

What the “pro” lane-slitting argument fails to acknowledge is that while lane-splitting may make it seem an easier driving experience for the motorcyclists in congested stop-and-go traffic, there is two things wrong with it. It is less likely that the motorcyclist will be bumped from behind in such situations, than the motorcycle will bump the vehicle ahead. Also, lane-splitting exposes the motorcyclists to accidents from car drivers quickly changing lanes, cutting off that “between the lanes” space the motorcyclist is using.

Full disclosure: I love motorcycles and use to have two - a “dirt bike” and a road bike. I hope again sometime to have another road bike. My own experience riding motorcycles has left the impression that a very good many motorcyclists are their own worst enemy, more so than the car drivers.

Not only does California allow “lane splitting” they do not require a rule I learned road biking with (as the best safety measure on highways) That rule was that the motorcycle should be sitting in the lane in the same relative position as it would be if the operator was behind the wheel of a car. That rule decreases observational mistakes, relative to the motorcycle, by the car drivers.


37 posted on 01/24/2018 7:24:05 AM PST by Wuli
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To: DaxtonBrown

There is a Tesla on autopilot crash into a firetruck this morning, same idea.

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The driver of that car was cited for drunk driving.

Your batting average is zero.


38 posted on 01/24/2018 7:27:34 AM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: No.6

Sounds like you are one of those extremely few safe and sane motorcycle drivers.

The reality is that this is what I see out on the road all the time both on the highway and on city streets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbiR_fQ38s


39 posted on 01/24/2018 7:35:37 AM PST by seawolf101 (Member LES DEPLORABLES)
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To: Moonman62

Are you dense? I’m not talking about these accidents, it is when an autonomous car INEVITABLY hits a schoolbus. Deep Pockets will pay big time.


40 posted on 01/24/2018 7:41:40 AM PST by DaxtonBrown
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