Posted on 02/05/2018 11:50:30 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
Israel’s education minister said on Monday he was “honoured” Poland had canceled his visit to Warsaw this week because he refused to back down from condemnation of a bill that would outlaw suggesting Poland was complicit in the Holocaust.
Earlier on Monday, Naftali Bennett said he would travel to Poland to discuss the bill, which Israeli officials have said amounts to Holocaust denial. However Poland’s government spokeswoman said there would be no such visit.
“The blood of Polish Jews cries from the ground, and no law will silence it,” Bennett later said in a statement. “The government of Poland cancelled my visit, because I mentioned the crimes of its people. I am honoured.”
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The fact that Merrkel is a Globalist plant who brings muslims into Germany has nothing to do with Germany and the Holocaust.
Talk about clueeless, convoluted thinking.
Not really. When you are truly openly guilty, you have to compel people to view you as innocent
To even suggest that a country is better off to gloss over Holocaust-scale crimes against humanity from their history is godless and shameful. Which you did in an earlier post by suggesting Germany is losing out by having done so and is better off being a historical revisionist like Japan.
Germany “lost” WWII and yet is the strongest, thriving, most resilient and innovative economy in Europe.
And I am saying from personal experience, I know the untold damage unresolved trauma and unconfessed crimes of history have on a psyche of a nation. I experienced it firsthand in Russia, which under Putin, has been undergoing a collective experiment in historical revisionism and “national forgetting” of unpleasant facts.
Its Russia’s biggest issue - the real root of what is holding it back from truly thriving in the 21st Century: its refusal to confront their history and their dark past.
And unlike Japan or Germany, they have had no Macarthur plan or Marshall plan to fall back on. And the numbers don’t lie: men have been drinking themselves to death for decades, the people are not procreating enough, domestic abuse, youth suicide, and divorce are even more commonplace than in the West — and many core institutions meant to preserve the social fabric are in decay. The list goes on. While time does heal some wounds and a few things have gotten better, it’s still a long road.
And yet Putin’s media wants to divert you away from the facts of life in his country and make you think its the West thats in disrepute and chaos because of “Muslims hordes” - when they (Russians) have the largest Muslim population of all.
Thanks MarvinStinson.
While anything’s possible, it is most unlikely Israel favors the islamonazis to take over Poland or any country for that matter. Jerusalem has been applauding the Hungarians Czechs and Polish governments for resisting the invasion (promoted by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the EUroNazis, etc). this appears to be a couple careless politicians blabbbng about something that, yes, Poland has yet to fully deal with within its own society, history. I don’t think politicians are always the best people at handling moral problems. ( to put this mildly, ha!). We will see, but the Polish and israrli peoples are, at their core, strong natural allies on this problem ... thanks.
Believe me, in comparison to what Israel do, Poland is a champion at admitting historical faults and crimes of Polish nationals.
Other than an Israeli minister making a couple of imprecise and insensitive comments, Jerusalem has nothing to apologize for (and he should definitely review his words and apologize). Poland has suffered a great deal, something Israelis can emphasize with...a lot....and both have been hurt badly by the same two enemies (National Socialism and Communism). They are also both under assault by enemy Muslim immigrants or occupiers. Warsaw and Jerusalem also share some common interests that the two countries have begun to pursue (or were doing so, before the current verbal p*zzing match. I’m confident they will get back on track again, soon. The longstanding persecutions and murders by Poles of Jews are, alas, history, but most of today’s Polish and Jewish people are more interested in the present and future than in reliving the past. (And, Poland appears to be protecting itself from dangerous Muslim occupiers/infiltrators much, much better than the eternally-patient Israelis. Warsaw could teach Jerusalem a few pointers in this respect.)
Israel has one nation defined as its leading enemy and in that respect it is aligned with the jihadist inspiring nation of Saudi Arabia. Iran is the common enemy.
President Trump has aligned the US against Iran as well.
He visited both Israel and Saudi Arabia last May with promises of Saudi investment in the United States totaling billions of dollars from buying military weapons to investing in infrastructure.
Justifications for bringing down the Assad government in Syria center around its alignment with Iran.
The Saudi backed jihadist “civil war” created refugees and it created ISIS.
To the extent Israel has used its military in Syria and it has on probably a dozen occasions or more over the last three years, it has used its military against Assad’s regime citing Iranian ties, chemical weapons links, threats to Israel’s security.
The Syrian regime’s propaganda claims outright that Israel helps the jihadists with its military actions.
The Russians sometimes make statements questioning which side the USA is on in Syria.
The ‘rebels’ fighting the Assad government do force women to cover themselves and treat them like property as Peter Hitchens has pointed out. He was has called the ‘rebels’ “the admirers of Osama Bin Laden”......
I happen to agree. Calling them Polish based on location (and there were those in other countries) is intentionally misleading, and given the fact that 20.5% of Polish citizens murdered in the Holocaust were not Jews, this false construction borders on Holocaust denial. It is as absurd, obscene, and misleading as to call them "Jewish Concentration Camps" based on the ethnic identity of most victims. Similarly, Poles have every right to be angry when people speak of Poland being complicit int he Holocaust. The antisemitic junta running Poland limited Jewish enrollment in universities and took other steps to limit economic prospects of Jews. But they never killed Jews. There was no collaborationist Polish government. The Nazis wanted to destroy Poland and liquidated Polish leaders, intelligentsia, and religious leaders. Moreover, the Polish Home Army executed Polish collaborators, including those who had participated in the Holocaust.
I think this legislation was a plot by Polish antisemites to use a real issue (the mislabeling of camps and lies about Poland, as opposed to the truth about groups of Poles) to both revise Hostory and shift blame away from Polish collaborators, and to make modern Poles feel taht Israel and Jews are punishing and oppressing them. And Jewish leadership decided to disprove the myth of Jewish intelligence and fall for an obvious trap. The solution was easy. Stop using the false term "Polish Concentration Camps" and denounce a law that protects Polish collaborators. And denounce those pushing this part of the law as traitors to Poland.
You’re in a REALLY SMALL group of people here, if you think that Germany is just fine.
The funny thing is that I actually did agree with you until this Merkel clown opened the floodgates. A HEALTHY SOCIETY would have fought back like mad and stopped her before it got out of control. The US fights back, that’s what got Trump (the Putin lover, by the way) elected.
So, as I said - in 50 years, Germany will either be Islamic or have another bloodbath behind them. Neither will happen in Japan, just may a somewhat smaller population (and that assumes they don’t try to fix that problem).
Biggest difference between the two that I see is that the Japanese don’t run around on a guilt trip because of what their great grandfathers did./
“The fact that Merrkel is a Globalist plant who brings muslims into Germany has nothing to do with Germany and the Holocaust.”
True, but the fact that Germans didn’t DO A DAMN THING to try to stop her is DIRECTLY due to the guilt instilled in them from WW2. They are making up for their sins now...by bringing in these millions.
“I think that abolishing social welfare for foreign parasites should suffice. They will move on to another host. Maybe Sweden or something.”
LOL - I hear you. But way too many for Sweden. As it is, Sweden is on the edge now of turning into a SH country...and will soon, short of a civil war. France plus UK maybe, but they’ll do the same as you suggest (cut off welfare), simply because they can’t afford it.
Do you favor other laws that criminalize opinions about the Holocaust that Jews don’t like? Like the laws in Canada, Germany, France etc? Or in Israel itself?
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