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To: Ennis85

There’s a lot of sodomite Christians. Jesus saves by grace, not works. But to call sodomy normal is like saying “I’m a Christian and have leprosy but leprosy is normal, so I don’t need healing or help.” Keeps a person from finding health and wholeness


4 posted on 04/17/2018 8:13:45 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

If they haven’t repented of gross sexual sin (meaning, acknowledged it as sin, and made a great effort to stop the behavior), then they are not true Christians


5 posted on 04/17/2018 8:32:46 AM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: Jim 0216
There’s a lot of sodomite Christians.

And lots of Thieves, Alcoholics, Drug Addicts
Liars, Cheats, Gossips

I, You, All are sinners
The worst thing you can do with our sinful nature
is to be fall into Sin of Pride,
Persistently denying the Holy Spirits Work in our hearts

The Gay Pride Movement is an anathema to a Christian

Far better is to take up our Cross and Walk
Pray for deliverance from the Thorn of the Flesh
Loving those who have fallen, and may fall again and again.

7 posted on 04/17/2018 8:53:01 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Jim 0216
There’s a lot of sodomite Christians.

No, there *are* not. The tense of the following scripture is critical:

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: (1 Corinthians 6:9-11a)

"Such *were* some of you." It does not say, such *are* some of you.

Practising sodomites (fornicators, idolators, adulterers...) are prima facie evidence of not being saved. A transformed life must be just that -- transformed.

15 posted on 04/17/2018 10:47:55 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Jim 0216; HangnJudge; SecAmndmt; nonsporting; Boogieman; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; ...
There’s a lot of sodomite Christians. Jesus saves by grace, not works.

There are no willful practicing impenitent saved sinners, since that is contrary to to saving faith. Faith is what appropriates justification, without works, but that faith which Scripture refers to as salvific is that out of a poor and contrite heart, (Ps. 34:18; Is. 66:2) and which effects characteristic obedience to the Object of said faith, to please Him, (1 John 3:3-10; Romans 6:20-22) the risen Lord Jesus, who loves righteousness and hates iniquity, thus evidencing

"things which accompany salvation." (Heb. 6:9)

Works themselves do not save, but they do evidence what we believe, and thus whether one is a believer. Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God...And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost: (1 Thessalonians 1:4,6)

All that we choose to do is a result of what we truly believe, at least at the moment, thus faith and works are inseparable - though it is the faith behind works that is counted for righteousness - and one simply cannot claim to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation - and this faith is in a person, not just in a promise abstract from who and what He is - and then willfully impenitently live contrary to His known will.

For which obedience includes repentance when convicted of not walking in obedience. . (2 Corinthians 7:9-11; cf. James 4:17) It is only these who are promised salvation, such as in, " My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." (John 10:27-28)

In contrast to such texts which warn, "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:21)

For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. (Hebrews 10:36-39)

But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. (1 Timothy 5:8)

Thus we have warnings such as

Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? (2 Corinthians 13:5)

In contrast to,

But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. (Hebrews 6:9-10)

33 posted on 04/18/2018 6:31:27 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Jim 0216; daniel1212

Sodomy wasn’t just a sin in the scripture, it was far worst. It was considered an abomination by God. According to Romans, it occurs when people keep pushing their sinfulness towards the extreme and rejecting God. God finally gives them over to their sinful heart desire-and one of those things is sodomy.

It is true that God can redeem anyone from their sinful behavior through His grace. But I’m not sure that there are “a lot of sodomite Christians”. Seeing someone saved out of sodomy is rare because scripture tells us that God has given them over to their lusts. It would be like Jesus telling the Pharisees that they will die in their sins and then saying God died for their sins. There comes a point when a person has exhaused God’s grace. We can only pray that it is not too late for their redemption.


36 posted on 04/18/2018 7:32:22 AM PDT by HarleyD ("There are very few shades of grey."-Dr. Eckleburg)
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