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To: HarleyD
Christians are those who have received Christ, are in Christ, and are saved to the uttermost forever by grace.

Non-Christians are those who have never received Christ, die outside of Christ, and are lost forever unfortunately.

To quote your doctrine, "people who continuously practice sin to fly in the face of God continues a downward spiral in which there is no hope". Your doctrine espouses that a Christian can lose his salvation by sinning too much. That is a doctrine of salvation by works not matter how you try to embellish it and that doctrine is condemned and twice cursed (Gal 1:6-9).

The gospel of the grace of Christ IS the gospel. There is no other. There is no justification by grace AND works of the law. And to the degree you rely on works for your justification, to that degree you have FALLEN from grace.

If by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:6.

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:4.

Your doctrine of works to stay saved is "another gospel" which, again is twice cursed.

I marvel that you have turned away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:6-9.

Your argument about telling which person is a Christian and which person is not, is a back-door way of getting to your same conclusion - somebody's (and your) works must meet YOUR standards, or YOU judge whether they (and you) are saved by their (and your) works. That makes you subject to Satan's accusations and condemnation when you sin and also makes you a candidate for the warnings in Galatians.

I think I'm done with you. Take care and good luck.

68 posted on 04/20/2018 10:39:34 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
Your doctrine espouses that a Christian can lose his salvation by sinning too much.

HMMMmmm...

I thought it was UNBELIEF that caused the losing...

71 posted on 04/20/2018 12:52:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Jim 0216
To quote your doctrine, "people who continuously practice sin to fly in the face of God continues a downward spiral in which there is no hope". Your doctrine espouses that a Christian can lose his salvation by sinning too much.

I NEVER stated they were Christians to begin with. 1 John tells us that believers do not practice sin.

Your argument about telling which person is a Christian and which person is not, is a back-door way of getting to your same conclusion

Paul tells us to judge those inside the church to see if they are of the true faith. Christ warns us of false teachers as well as Peter, John and James. So, it isn't my argument. There is no "back door".

79 posted on 04/21/2018 1:01:24 PM PDT by HarleyD ("There are very few shades of grey."-Dr. Eckleburg)
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