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1 posted on 06/04/2018 2:09:37 PM PDT by davikkm
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So, isn’t there a judge in Hawaii or Washington state who thinks he or she can overturn this?


2 posted on 06/04/2018 2:13:32 PM PDT by daler
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To: davikkm

I like the fact that this ruling was on the religious intolerance the baker was subjected to. This could have been such a bad decision for conducting business in the marketplace and instead it turned out to be a wise one.

I think it is safe to say that it is morning once again in America!


3 posted on 06/04/2018 2:15:55 PM PDT by BlackAdderess (It's morning in America)
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Can anyone in the know explain what this court opinion means in its outworking?

Can Phillips refuse to serve these two sodomites a wedding cake?

Can Phillips refuse to sell ANY wedding cake to sodomites from now on?

Is Phillips just let off the hook for this one “offense?”


4 posted on 06/04/2018 2:15:55 PM PDT by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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To: davikkm

I saw one article describing the decision not as a “narrow win,” but as a “narrow ruling.”


5 posted on 06/04/2018 2:16:55 PM PDT by buridan
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To: davikkm

Actually, this looks to me like a PYRRHIC victory.

As I said in a previous post.... the DECISION’s SCOPE IS LIMITED.

There’s a lot to be said for decisions that are narrowly limited to the point at hand. Just because our Congress is no longer responsible, taking up the mantle and legislating clearly, doesn’t mean we should be leaning on the SCOTUS to do our legislating. Besides, it was the baker himself who argued for a narrower construction (see Page 10).

“[..]there are no doubt innumerable goods and services that no one could argue implicate the First Amendment. Petitioners conceded, moreover, that if a baker refused to sell any goods or any cakes for gay weddings, that would be a different matter and the State would have a strong case under this Court’s precedents that this would be a denial of goods and services that went beyond any protected rights of a baker who offers goods and services to the general public and is subject to a neutrally applied and generally applicable public accommodations law. ”

They conceded that they had to make cakes for gay weddings. It was only the issue of artistic skills and expressive statement (1st Amendment) they fought:

For those who say this is a great victory,. I say it’s more like catching an opponent moving a pawn illegally. Sure, it stops their move in this case, but it’s no great victory in the game itself.

The decision has verbiage like the following (page 9):

““[t]he First Amendment ensures that religious organizations and persons are given proper protection as they seek to teach the principles that are so fulfilling and so central to their lives and faiths.” Id., at ___ (slip op., at 27). Nevertheless, while those religious and philosophical objections are protected, it is a general rule that such objections do not allow business owners and other actors in the economy and in society to deny protected persons equal access to goods and services under a neutral and generally applicable public accommodations law.”

That’s far from a rebuke of the general principle of public accommodations law and its ability to infringe (my word) on religious liberty. And this language wasn’t from a dissenter!

How about Page 12:

“And any decision in favor of the baker would have to be sufficiently constrained, lest all purveyors of goods and services who object to gay marriages for moral and religious reasons in effect be allowed to put up signs saying “no goods or services will be sold if they will be used for gay marriages,” something that would impose a serious stigma on gay persons.”


12 posted on 06/04/2018 2:43:36 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Hey Kennedy, Ginsburg, Sotamayor, and Kagan, you will be replaced befor the end of 2024.


18 posted on 06/04/2018 3:46:44 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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GGggrrrr....it’s “normalcy”!


21 posted on 06/04/2018 3:56:43 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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The ruling, to my understanding, means that you can not refuse to sell an "off the shelf" item but you can not be compelled to make a special order item if it violates your religious beliefs.

Not exactly satisfactory but I will take it for now.

23 posted on 06/04/2018 4:10:07 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Bunnies, bunnies, it must be bunnies!! Or maybe midgets....)
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I’m sorry, but if I were the baker, I would have made them the most beautiful cake in history .and make it taste Extra delicious! Oh and lace it with salt peter for laughs! Honor the day, wreak the honeymoon!


26 posted on 06/04/2018 4:27:35 PM PDT by Bommer ( F the NFl)
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Winning! Much more of this kind of winning, please.

JoMa


28 posted on 06/04/2018 5:18:32 PM PDT by joma89
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To: davikkm; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; boatbums; CynicalBear; daniel1212; dragonblustar; Dutchboy88; ...

And just how many 7-2 decisions has the Supreme Court made in it’s history that the liberal media thinks they can blow it off?

Some good news for a change.


32 posted on 06/04/2018 6:28:53 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: davikkm

They found the narrowest possible ground on which to make their ruling.

Good analysis by Glenn Beck:

https://www.theblaze.com/video/glenn-beck-the-supreme-court-dodged-the-bigger-question-in-same-sex-wedding-cake-case


43 posted on 06/04/2018 9:04:01 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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