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ROBERT E. LEE: OUR GREATEST GENERAL?

Posted on 06/22/2018 11:46:12 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET

That was according to my 8th grade history teacher-retired military. The only one who came close was MacArthur. That brings up the politics of the left. If it is true that Lee was a great General isn't it at least worth acknowledging? This tearing down of statues should stop. Educated persons should acknowledge the truth. It's the left that's the intelligent ones as they would have us believe. I see no conservatives standing up for this truth. The Senate GOP candidate in Virginia should start an 'intellectual' conversation on Lee and let the left react. Don't wait for a baiting reporter to to knee-jerk him into a quick response that they can interpret their own way.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: dixie; militaryhistory; robertelee
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To: DiogenesLamp
If the situation were reversed, Lee wouldn’t have been invading another country.

Didn't stop him in 1862 and 1863.

201 posted on 06/22/2018 2:35:33 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Bull Snipe
I use different standards for aggressor versus defender. Coming into someone else's land and getting a bunch of your own people killed does indeed make of you a "butcher."

Being forced to die in a desperate effort to save your own land makes of you a hero.

202 posted on 06/22/2018 2:36:44 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: miss marmelstein
Lee loathed slavery (and that is a fact)...

Lee's opposition to slavery was tepid at best.

My memory may be wrong on this so I’m hoping that others may correct or confirm what I am writing. And please, leave that chore to others, Ms. Dog. I’d hate to see you pawing through that vast liberry of yours.

No fear of that. I don't believe in wasting time looking up things I already know is wrong.

203 posted on 06/22/2018 2:37:23 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: x

Admiral Nimitz won the war in the Pacific

McArthur was but a side show. He had a whole division wiped out in Korea because he stubbornly would not believe there.

he is over rated by a factor of 10


204 posted on 06/22/2018 2:38:06 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming))
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To: miss marmelstein

Confederate Gen. Patrick Cleburne supporting arming slaves in December of 1863, which would have required promising to free them as well. Basically what the Royal Governor of Virginia had done during the Revolution, Dunmore’s Proclamation.

Bruce Levine writes in his ‘Confederate Emancipation: Southern Plans to Free and Arm Slaves during the Civil War’ that Lee, Davis and Judah Benjamin came to the same conclusion in 1864 but it wasn’t tried until just a few weeks before Appomattox.


205 posted on 06/22/2018 2:39:37 PM PDT by Pelham (California, Mexico's socialist colony)
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To: x
There's much to admire about MacArthur, but he did make some major mistakes. He didn't take the possibility of a Japanese attack seriously enough and didn't take the possibility of Chinese intervention in Korea seriously enough.

Until Summer 41', the Army was using the Philippines for dumping screw-ups and other undesirables.

It was MacArthur who finally ended that practice but it took time to fully implement that he didn't have.

Japan would have had a hard time taking the Philippines in Spring 42' if his build up had continued. It would have been impossible by summer.

206 posted on 06/22/2018 2:40:02 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: stormer

What’s your opinion of Washington?


207 posted on 06/22/2018 2:40:49 PM PDT by Midnitethecat
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To: Hugin
Lee failed twice to invade the north, and ultimately lost.

Being reluctant to send an army into someone else's country may have nothing at all to do with being unaware of it's military advantages. For Lee it may have been a moral conundrum in which he sought to avoid hurting people for which he had no malice.

Had he been more of an unethical cold hearted bastard, he might have done what was militarily advantageous instead of what he believed to be the proper moral thing.

208 posted on 06/22/2018 2:41:36 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Bull Snipe
Starting the campaign with around 160 thousand men, Grant had already suffered - in a mere two months - 50 thousand casualties before Cold Harbor. That is butchery unto its own. Shall we also add the fact that after the failed assault on June 3rd at Cold Harbor, Grant refused to ask for a formal truce to collect his wounded for four damn days!!!

Butchery.

Concerning the strategic blunder by Lee at Gettysburg, we see his men pressing the attack to the high water mark... almost breaking the Union line... (again, a singular effort to end the war). In Cold Harbor, we see men driven forth... losing 7000 in twenty minutes... then digging in and having other units push in behind... then they too tried to dig into the open field.

Grant left the engagement lag from 4AM until later that noon. Then, as aforementioned, he left the men in the field to die. Total Union casualties at Cold Harbor almost 13 thousand while the South suffered 5200 (with only 1500 on June 3rd).

209 posted on 06/22/2018 2:42:03 PM PDT by Lagmeister ( false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders Mark 13:22)
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To: miss marmelstein
Lee loathed slavery (and that is a fact) through his own experience with it

"Loathe" is too strong a word. Lee wasn't happy about slavery, but he was able to live with it.

He thought it had work to do, civilizing the slaves, and that God would do away with it in his own good time.

Lee did refer to slavery as "a moral and political evil" in a private letter, but he felt that for the time being it was a necessary evil.

210 posted on 06/22/2018 2:43:08 PM PDT by x
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To: RainMan

Winning against long odds

It is said that Union generals like Grant and Sherman may have achieved the same if they had likewise faced such dire circumstances


211 posted on 06/22/2018 2:44:17 PM PDT by elbook
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To: DoodleDawg

No, you don’t look up stuff that would negate what you already believe. So what good do all those books do you?

Why don’t you go back where you belong: on Roseanne threads where you can virtue-signal on her evil in mistaking a black woman for an ugly white Iranian America-hater. It suits you better.


212 posted on 06/22/2018 2:44:37 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Sans-Culotte
When last we had a race obsessed liberal lawyer from Illinois who become President, I wished my state could have left the Union.

Obama had his pen and phone through which he could rule by executive order. Lincoln had his pen and telegraph.

213 posted on 06/22/2018 2:45:33 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg

Virginia owned it before there was a federal government!

Who would they have bought it from, King Charles prior to the revolution?


214 posted on 06/22/2018 2:46:13 PM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: x
OK; I know that Lee was very worried that men were using female slaves as concubines and he warned his sons severely against this. He truly hated that men were abusing women and that the two races were intermingling. He was a man of his own time (like Lincoln) but to deny that he had a moral compass is just plain wrong.
215 posted on 06/22/2018 2:49:21 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Rome2000
They had to bury the DICTATOR LINCOLN in a steel cage under 3 tons of concrete. Wonder why.

Because of mindless shiiteheads like the antifa of today.

216 posted on 06/22/2018 2:54:01 PM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: Snickering Hound

Because of Captain Robert E Lee.


217 posted on 06/22/2018 2:54:32 PM PDT by Midnitethecat
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To: Lagmeister

Within a month, Lee Army of Northern Virginia was penned up in Petersburg.

almost breaking the Union line... Not even close. a few hundred men from the Confederate forces actually got through the Union Line. The were quickly killed or driven back by a Union counter attack.


218 posted on 06/22/2018 2:54:32 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Pelham

Hi, Pelham!

Interesting. I had no idea! I do know that many blacks went into war with their confederate owners - and we have photos that show that.

What a time, eh?


219 posted on 06/22/2018 2:56:03 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: DiogenesLamp
Lincoln Davis was going to have his war.

FIFY

220 posted on 06/22/2018 2:57:11 PM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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