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Plastic 3D "guns" Confiscated in Australian Raid
Gun Watch ^ | 15 August, 2018 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 08/15/2018 6:00:43 AM PDT by marktwain


On 18 July, 2018, on the Sunshine Coast of Eastern Australia, in the town of Mudjimba, police raided a house and found some 3D printed plastic guns, some printed false identification, and a small amount of drugs. From news.com.au:

"They are all polymer and all they needed was a pin and a spring-type assembly pushed into it to make it work. For all intents and purposes they would look like a gun."

Police allege that three 3D-printed handguns, along with weapon parts, a knuckle duster, false licences and drugs, were found at a house at Mudjimba on Wednesday.
The 3D revolver shown above appears to be a variation of the Imura revolver design, named for the Japanese inventor who was jailed for making a 3D printed revolver that was capable of firing blanks. The Mudjimba revolver does not seem to have any metal in it. This makes it highly unlikely for successful operation. As the police noted, a firing pin and spring would be needed at a minimum. If the officer quoted thinks it would contain the forces of factory ammunition, I would like to see a video of him test firing it.



The single shot designs found at Mudjimba seem unlikely to be capable of firing, as claimed by the police. They appear to be a sort of zip gun design, without any metal, springs, or firing pins. The barrels, made of plastic, are unlikely to hold up to firing a single shot.

Such designs can be made much more capable by using metal tubes for barrel liners, metal springs, and a metal breech plate and firing pin. Such hybrid designs are simple and easy to create, but they are not any easier to construct than simple designs using metal and wood, without 3D printers.



The current media melt down in the United States has misinformed people all over the world. In an article about the Mudjimba case, Sporting Shooter shows how far the misinformation has spread. From sportingshooter.com.au:
Should Australia ban 3D-printed gun plans like the US?

Mr Matthews said that, while there should be a crackdown on printed weapons because “there is nothing stopping someone from getting a print from the States”, he disagrees with the need for regulatory movement against the 3D printing process being used to print other items.
The United States has *not* banned 3D-printed guns. Designs have been freely available on the Internet in the United States for five years. Unlike Australia, individuals in the United States have always had a right to make their own firearms, and have done so for over 200 years.  Only recently have a couple of authoritarian states claimed to have the power to license individuals who desire to make their own guns. Those claims will eventually be challenged in court.

The misconception in the case of 3D printed guns comes from the Cody Wilson/Defense Distributed case, where the State Department claimed the 3D printed designs were covered under the International  Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR). The regulations are designed to control the export of defense and military related technologies. It was a losing case, on First Amendment grounds, from the start.

People all over the world have been making effective guns at home for centuries.

Australians lost the legal authority to make their own firearms in 1996.

The person who printed out the designs in Mudjimba has claimed he did not know it was illegal to do so.

In the Australian state of Queensland, which contains Mudjimba, non-firing replicas are not illegal.

In New South Wales, the Australian state to the South of Queensland, a license is required to possess a non-functioning replica. Possessing the computer code to print out a 3D gun is a crime.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 3d; australia; banglist; guns
It seems unlikely the "guns" were capable of being fired.

In New South Wales, replicas are treated the same as actual firearms. The computer code to print a 3D gun is considered a gun.

1 posted on 08/15/2018 6:00:43 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“They are all polymer and all they needed was a pin and a spring-type assembly pushed into it to make it work. For all intents and purposes they would look like a gun.”

What would the bullets look like?


2 posted on 08/15/2018 6:09:18 AM PDT by mindburglar (I like spelling it Lazers. It looks cooler.)
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To: marktwain

“The computer code to print a 3D gun is considered a gun.”

I wonder if carrying a thumb drive with the (legal in USA) 3d printer files onto school property would be considered a crime in far-left anti-gun states like Massachusetts, New Jersey, and Maryland.


3 posted on 08/15/2018 6:10:31 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: marktwain

The propaganda war continues. Or... should I call it a war for our minds, an infowar?


4 posted on 08/15/2018 6:16:49 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: mindburglar

“Looks like a gun” is not a gun. Cap pistols, which have all but disappeared from modern life (except for some few that may have stayed in some kid’s collection years ago) looked like “real” guns, too, but there was no way they could have been converted into a real gun without an awful lot of machine work.

These “polymer pistols” have a very limited lifetime, with maybe a fifty-fifty chance of blowing the user’s hand off if used. For sure there is no second firing.

Now, modified with metal parts for barrel and chamber, and a reliable spring mechanism for the trigger, they could be as deadly as the same caliber handgun made in the conventional manner, but the heat and the pressure would also limit the use to no more than a couple of rounds before the device became too hot to hold, or deformed and became altogether useless. And the idea they would be undetectable by X-ray would be laughable, because of the added metal.

What we have here is an absolutely paralyzing fear of guns, all guns, bordering on superstition. It is my contention that guns not be made secret and mysterious, but be a part of EVERY child’s education, from the basic design of the mechanism, so the difference between a single-shot, a revolving chamber, a lever-cocking reload, and a semi-automatic reload system, and contrast this with a fully automatic weapon, which fires continuously until the trigger is released.

The next step is to further acquaint the young with the actual use, care, feeding, grooming, and proper means of handling the handgun or long gun in a controlled situation.

The next level will cover the basics of target selection, aiming at the specified target, and developing the skills to accurately put a bullet into that target with high reliability.

By this time, it should be apparent to those providing the instruction, there are some few who, either through ineptness, or those who bear malice thoughts of misusing the weapon, should never, ever be permitted access to a live-fire projectile. These few would be given appropriate instructions on how to avoid, evade or escape the presence of an armed person with real malice in mind, or for the more brave, how to confront such a person, and distract them sufficiently to either ruin their aim, or even surrender up the weapon.


5 posted on 08/15/2018 7:25:51 AM PDT by alloysteel ("No" is a complete sentence. On so many levels.)
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To: alloysteel

Why would you write that response to an obvious joke?


6 posted on 08/15/2018 7:28:54 AM PDT by mindburglar (I like spelling it Lazers. It looks cooler.)
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To: mindburglar

What joke? The Australians are very obviously serious abot the mystic powers of firearms.


7 posted on 08/15/2018 7:42:43 AM PDT by alloysteel ("No" is a complete sentence. On so many levels.)
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To: alloysteel

Much better. Thanks...


8 posted on 08/15/2018 7:45:07 AM PDT by mindburglar (I like spelling it Lazers. It looks cooler.)
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To: marktwain

Easier with brass or steel.
Tannenburg Handgonne from the 1300s.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.php?s=bc1bb40b74fd9b44eee7893dc2e1deb4&attachmentid=150236&stc=1

Use triple wall seamless steel pipe, home made black powder, close one end, drill a touch hole.


9 posted on 08/15/2018 7:46:14 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: alloysteel

The problem is that for an essentially peaceful people, such as the Australians in their cities, they do not wish to be bothered by learning about guns.

Much easier to forbid everyone from having them (with a few minor exceptions), than have to learn all that nasty stuff about mechanics, weapons, and the laws about self defense.


10 posted on 08/15/2018 7:52:02 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: alloysteel

“Looks like a gun” is not a gun.


I think that a good analogy for that statement would be to say, “Hey, look at Mary here: she has all of the parts needed to make her a prostitute, and is even more attractive than most of them, but she’s not (I’m right on this, aren’t I, Mary?)”

You won’t score too many points with Mary, but you will have made your point.


11 posted on 08/15/2018 9:11:42 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Pollster1
I wonder if carrying a thumb drive with the (legal in USA) 3d printer files onto school property would be considered a crime in far-left anti-gun states like Massachusetts, New Jersey, and Maryland.

You can bet that Hillary would've steered BATFE in that direction. *shudder*

Those guys have been known to stretch the credible limits of "constructive possession" in the past, when they had an enabling administration.

12 posted on 08/15/2018 9:33:38 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Charles Martel

I had my gun confiscated in kindergarden. It leaked into the book I had cut out to hide it in. It was a Readers Digest.


13 posted on 08/15/2018 10:41:49 AM PDT by oldasrocks (rump)
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