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Expectations of police firearms expertise often exceed reality.
1 posted on 09/09/2018 5:05:27 AM PDT by marktwain
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Never cared for Glocks myself. They have the ergonomics of two 2”x2”s nailed together, at least in my hand. I far prefer the feel of a Beretta or CZ75 which seem to point themselves.


2 posted on 09/09/2018 5:14:33 AM PDT by Hugin
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Or, as the author posits, perhaps the reporter just switched from covering the Ladies Auxiliary Potluck Supper to firearms expert.


3 posted on 09/09/2018 5:17:02 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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My Smith & Wesson MP .40c has replaced my Ruger .357 Police Service Six as my favorite carry piece. Several more rounds, Crimson Trace laser sighting, and similarly devastating impact with smoother recoil. Then there's the reload factor.

A vastly superior personal carry piece. IMHO.

4 posted on 09/09/2018 5:17:21 AM PDT by Gargantua (The wheel is spinnin' and it can't slow down... ;^)
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I have a bunch of glucks (sic). They are super reliable, ugly as everything but a Hi Point...., but I love them. They are everywhere, reliable, accurate and easy to find parts for.

For that reason, I LOVE it when police depts decide they need to change models. I have picked up a bunch of cheap 22s and some 17s because some bureaucrat thought they needed to change. I mean, under 300 dollars cheap. I treat em like gold and silver, in that I never sell them. Just put them in the can with the ammo and keep them till the zombie apocalypse, I guess. I will admit I DO sometimes use them in a swap out for another weapon (usually a glock 19, or my favorite carry, a sig 228), but mostly they stay clean, oiled and stored away.
6 posted on 09/09/2018 5:44:21 AM PDT by mostly_lies
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I noticed only a bit more felt recoil in most .40 S&W versions of 9x19mm pistols I was familiar with, but was not tempted to buy one when the .40 was still ascending, as they didn't seem to do much that a 9mm wouldn't do as well (and do it more cheaply). Now that the .40 has lost some of its luster in LE, I am no longer pestered by well-meaning people to get on the .40 bandwagon.

I have, however, given up on striker-fired guns and returned to hammer-fired DA/SA pistols (albeit with decockers rather than safeties). I remain a contrarian even in my golden years.

Mr. niteowl77

8 posted on 09/09/2018 5:50:02 AM PDT by niteowl77
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The public often look to police for firearms expertise.

Well, I ain't all of the public, but I assure you, the police is the very last place I go to for firearms expertise and/or advice.

Most of the PO's I know can't hit the side of a barn from two feet and have no real knowledge of what makes their gun go bang.

The majority of firearms training for PO's is abysmal.

Sometimes I wonder if any of them actually ever receive any training at all, beyond 50 or so rounds every 3-6 months.

There are exceptions, but most medium and small departments simply cannot afford the time and expenditure for good, realistic firearms training.

12 posted on 09/09/2018 6:17:18 AM PDT by OldSmaj
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19 posted on 09/09/2018 6:53:21 AM PDT by PROCON ('Progressive' is a Euphemism for Totalitarian)
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The LEOs want new guns. Who on the city council is going to challenge the explanation of the ‘expert’ and deny them the new toys?


20 posted on 09/09/2018 7:06:19 AM PDT by Bitman
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The .40 S&W is a good cartridge.

It’s main problem is it is neither fish nor foul. It might be a tiny bit more effective than the 9mm but it does so at the cost of recoil, cost of ammo and wear.

Probably it’s worst feature is when you try to combine a compact gun with it. I have a Star Firestar compact which works perfectly, is accurate and recoil is not bad.

The only problem is it is so heavy that sticking it in my pocket makes my shoulder or pants droop. It is heavy as a hunk of lead.


26 posted on 09/09/2018 7:56:31 AM PDT by yarddog
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Bottom line ... 9mm ammo is cheaper.


27 posted on 09/09/2018 7:58:56 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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Do they absolutely know what kind of loads were being consistently used in the .40’s? How many of these guns got dropped, banged against walls and God knows what during normal police activities. Who knows?

One thing for sure according to a big FBI report the accuracy rate soars when the cops switch from .40 to .9mm


30 posted on 09/09/2018 9:54:02 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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How about firearms that are over 100 years old that still work just fine?

And they wonder why nobody likes them.


31 posted on 09/09/2018 10:15:30 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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The sergeant sounds like a gun shop ninja. If he knew squat about guns he wouldn’t use made-up terms like “cartridge ignition pressures”. A better, more understandable explanation would be cheaper ammo allows more range time for officers, higher cap magazines allows more shots in a high-stress situation where 80-90% of shots are misses, and lower recoil allows quicker follow up shots.


46 posted on 09/09/2018 2:21:03 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Democratic socialism is when the majority of people vote to steal your property.)
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The public often look to police for firearms expertise.

Maybe the uninformed public....

52 posted on 09/10/2018 7:03:29 AM PDT by Envisioning (Carry safe, always carry, everyday, everywhere.)
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I’d take parts from 3 previously working .40 pistols in the hope of making one usable one.....

In place of a working 9mm.

Too fast, not enough mass.


55 posted on 09/10/2018 7:58:31 PM PDT by 1_Inch_Group (If a lion could speak, we could not understand him)
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Bullet weight, powder burn rates and bore diameter all influence the pressure curve of a fired round. The first two can be varied to affect internal pressures. Sounds like the officer just found a new way to say “I want a new gun,” and baffle those that would say he can’t have one. Try it on the wife.


56 posted on 09/22/2018 3:55:28 PM PDT by gundog (Hail to the Chief, bitches.)
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