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To: deandg99; All
Beware of underestimating what master deal-maker Pres. Trump can do with a gridlocked Congress.

Dem noise for gun control laws probably amounts to campaigning for 2020.

Dems probably aren’t going to get their gun control laws any more than Trump got his wall in his first two years in office imo.

Note that unconstitutional federal healthcare for illegal immigrants could have paid for the wall imo.

How American Citizens Finance $18.5 Billion In Health Care For Unauthorized Immigrants

Insights welcome.

Also, consider the following major constitutional problems with gun control laws from a related thread.

”… National Firearms Act of 1934 and Gun Control Act of 1968 [???]"

FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

As mentioned in related threads, since Pres. Trump and patriots are forced to deal with an unconstitutionally big federal government until Trump finishes draining the swamp, patriots will need to check every action of the feds against Congress’s constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers to make sure there’s a clause that reasonably justifies an action of the feds, the misguided DOJ defining arms in this example.

After all, the corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification Congress infamously has a track record for not policing itself with respect to its Section 8-limited powers, most federal domestic policy based on stolen state powers.

Regarding federal civil penal firearms laws, patriots are reminded not only that the 2nd Amendment is clearly not a delegation of power to the feds to regulate civil firearms, but that gun-relevant clauses in Section 8 give the feds the power to deal only with military-related firearms, Clause 15 for example.

"Article I, Section 8, Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;"

In fact, the congressional record shows that constitutional lawmaker, Rep. John Bingham, had used an example of murder, a 2nd Amendment-related topic, to clarify that the states have never expressly constitutional delegated to the feds the specific power to make peacetime civil penal laws.

"Our Constitution never conferred upon the Congress of the United States the power - sacred as life is, first as it is before all other rights which pertain to man on this side of the grave - to protect it in time of peace by the terrors of the penal code within organized states; and Congress has never attempted to do it. There never was a law upon the United States statute-book to punish the murderer for taking away in time of peace the life of the noblest, and the most unoffending, as well, of your citizens, within the limits of any State of the Union, The protection of the citizen in that respect was left to the respective States, and there the power is to-day [emphasis added].” —Rep. John Bingham, Congressional Globe. (See bottom half of third column.)

Additionally, the Constitution’s Article IV, Section 2, Clause 2 not only indicates the scope of crimes that the sovereign states are authorized to deal with, treason included, but that criminals who flee a state are to be returned to the state having the jurisdiction of the crime for trial.

“Article IV, Section 2, Clause 2: A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime [emphasis added]."

Also, regardless of Bingham’s official clarification that Congress has no express constitutional authority to make peacetime civil penal laws, even for murder, it is disturbing that federal civil gun laws started appearing in the books during the FDR Administration, FDR and Congress at that time infamous for making laws that blatantly ignored Congress’s Section 8-limited powers.

Franklin Roosevelt: The Father of Gun Control

Finally, when an uprising is determined to be an attack on the United States, the feds have the Article I, Section 8, Clause 15 power (shown above) to take charge of state militias to suppress the uprising.

However, Bingham’s clarification that feds have no express constitutional authority to make civil penal laws reflects on the Constitution’s Article IV, Section 4 which tells us that feds can intervene in domestic violence only by written request by top state government leaders.

"Article IV, Section 4: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence [emphasis added]."

Corrections, insights welcome.

26 posted on 11/19/2018 9:45:45 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10
"Corrections, insights welcome."

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"Regarding federal civil penal firearms laws, patriots are reminded not only that the 2nd Amendment is clearly not a delegation of power to the feds to regulate civil firearms, but that gun-relevant clauses in Section 8 give the feds the power to deal only with military-related firearms, Clause 15 for example".

"Article I, Section 8, Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;"

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IMO, a "correction":

Article I, Section 8, Clause 15 only allows the government to exercise a claim on the service and duty of persons (armed Citizens) to exercise their God-given and 2nd amendment Constitution-protected right to keep and bear arms.

It authorizes zero claims on the weapons, themselves -- or constraints on the Citizens' right to own, keep and bear them.

TXnMA
 

35 posted on 11/19/2018 11:27:09 AM PST by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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