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1 posted on 01/25/2019 5:15:15 AM PST by w1n1
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Two different tools. Two different missions/tasks.

Next subject; Screwdriver or hammer? Which is better?

2 posted on 01/25/2019 5:17:59 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Atrophy of science is visible when the spokesman goes from Einstein to Sagan to Neli Degrasse Tyson.)
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Interesting article, but it doesn’t draw any real conclusions other than to show the target they shot at, which doesn’t (to my eye) reveal much.


3 posted on 01/25/2019 5:18:36 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Break it off in 'em, Brett. They've earned it, and you've earned it.)
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Another perspective or to implement, if you were to put on some Red Dot sights for the shotgun and check out the wider use of slugs.

There ya go.

4 posted on 01/25/2019 5:24:18 AM PST by keat
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Lots of tactical pump and semi auto 12 gauge guns that take hi- cap magazines.

Do with that information what you will.


6 posted on 01/25/2019 5:27:31 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you .)
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During Prohibition, the preferred weapon of the Chicago mob was the Tommy gun. However, they ambitiously wanted to expand in rural downstate Illinois. But the rural mobs stopped them cold with shotguns. This established that the terrain is a huge factor in such comparisons.


7 posted on 01/25/2019 5:30:13 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("There is no 'try' only sasuga!")
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You don’t even have to read the article to know how stupid this is.


9 posted on 01/25/2019 5:35:43 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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A shotgun is great indoors and an ar for outdoors. You need both.


11 posted on 01/25/2019 5:38:15 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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Recycling your old crap, huh.
12 posted on 01/25/2019 5:41:22 AM PST by real saxophonist
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You are talking about close range here. With one trigger pull of the shotgun with 00 buckshot, you get twelve .33 caliber pellets spread out over a 24” to 36” pattern with deadly velocity at a nominal range. Do the math.


13 posted on 01/25/2019 5:42:14 AM PST by eastexsteve
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AR's high velocity & capacity with 30 round mag makes up for lack of Knock Down Power.

223 was chosen for weight consideration.

The AR was designed for the military, where men would be out on patrol and weight considerations were made.

Don't need the same considerations in a patrol car.

Switch to a .308 and you have more knock down power.

Of course proper shot location gives you good "knock down" power.

14 posted on 01/25/2019 5:48:01 AM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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This article is terribly written. A common core student could do better.


15 posted on 01/25/2019 5:48:43 AM PST by Redcitizen (I don't always lurk, but when I do, Freerepublic.)
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Crossfire, top 12ga, bottom 223.


17 posted on 01/25/2019 5:56:21 AM PST by umgud
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I would take the AR but certainly would not feel poorly armed with the shotgun.

BTW, at one time the Ithaca model 37 was probably used by more agencies than the 870. Both are superb shotguns. The model 37 was designed by Browning or at least was a copy of his design.


21 posted on 01/25/2019 6:10:18 AM PST by yarddog
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The guys I was familiar with carried a shotgun in the front seat and a mini-14 in the trunk.


23 posted on 01/25/2019 6:37:33 AM PST by marron
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You’re in a car. You can carry both.


24 posted on 01/25/2019 6:38:04 AM PST by marron
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Remember the North Hollywood Shootout, in which two bank robbers with body armor and full auto rifles shot it out with the police?

The shotguns and handguns of the police did no good so the police ran to a local sporting goods store and “borrowed” semi-auto .223 and .308 rifles to take down the bank robbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

Now the firearms borrowed by the police ARE BANNED in California.


30 posted on 01/25/2019 8:34:05 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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Which patrolman has the advantage?

Depends on the gunfight.

31 posted on 01/25/2019 8:41:14 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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Interesting article. But full of grammatical errors.

Under ‘Results’ there are no results listed. Who won?


32 posted on 01/25/2019 9:45:38 AM PST by upchuck (Bruce Jenner is still a man. Homosexuality is still sin. The culture may change. The Bible does not.)
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Watching “Live PD” occasionally would indicate that every patrol officer in the USA is armed with an AR-15. Why do patrol officers need AR-15’s? Most police encounters take place at close range and a shotgun is the preferred weapon for that. Recently a cop was killed by friendly fire from an AR-15 that penetrated his bullet-resistant vest at a shooting incident in California. Using an AR-15 inside a crowded building during a police shootout is sheer idiocy. More evidence of the unnecessary and unwise militarization of American police. I have no issues with arming SWAT teams with mil-spec gear but patrol officers? Come on!


33 posted on 01/25/2019 10:15:02 AM PST by 43north (Its hard to stop a man when he knows he's right and he keeps coming.)
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00 buck won’t carry a mile or two and kill that woman sitting at the bus stop. It wont pass through house walls and kill granny in the kitchen 200 yards away.


39 posted on 01/25/2019 11:26:15 AM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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