U.S. Army gets new Submachine Gun - APC9K

Am Shooting Journal ^ | 6/7/2019 | S Coffman

[mylife]

Should have bought some Hi point carbines when they were $165

Butt ugly but they work like a hose.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Looks a bit like the HK MP5K.

[Redleg Duke]

I agree on dumping the 9mm in favor of the .45 ACP.

[ksm1]

I honestly don’t see the practical use for this when every d-bag out there now has some kind of ceramic body armor. Just use SBRs as your primary and a pistol as your backup. But, above my pay grade I suppose.

[vannrox]

$7,143 per copy ???

---

indeed.

[MrEdd]

Dunno.
I’d accept the negatives which go with the M2A2.

[Windflier]

Our guys are getting picked off by 7th century goat herders shooting Mosin Nagants and Enfields because the M4, as good as it it, simply can’t reach them.

My SCAR 17s 7.62 cal can accurately reach out to 800 yards. Our military has been equipped with them since the early 00s.

[Spktyr]

This has been tried for various agencies that wanted it. Even a modernized M-14 is still uncontrollable in full auto and even a 3 round burst is pretty bad. You have to go to a G3 or FAL for a contemporary that’s controllable.

[redfreedom]

Evangeline Lilly (Kate Austin) is much, much hotter.

[Spktyr]

Um, this is to be used as a PDW for vehicle crew. The Army has tried issuing M4 carbines instead and they’re still clumsy and unwieldy inside a vehicle. In fact they spent 20 years after they retired the last M3’s to admit that the M4 wasn’t a good replacement.

[central_va]

How much energy is left in a 62 grain .556 bullet at 800 yards?

[Spktyr]

Or we could use the already existing issue M240s in 7.62 NATO instead of the old 1919Awhatever that was heavier, more complex and our troops hated it.

[mylife]

A bit weildly.

[Spktyr]

Even SBRs are too big inside vehicles. This is supposed to be a gun for vehicle crew.

[Windflier]

How much energy is left in a 62 grain .556 bullet at 800 yards?

Enough to ring steel, but I have no data on the actual foot pounds.

[mylife]

Not much.

[Puppage]

I wouldn’t kick either of them outta bed for eating crackers,

[Lurker]

“I agree on dumping the 9mm in favor of the .45 ACP.”

And get rid of that ineffective green tip bullet for the M4. Somalia showed that it simply doesn’t put bad guys down near well enough. Start issuing 62 grain soft points or hollow points. Since they’re the same weight there’s no need to worry about barrel twist rates and either one would be far better at stopping bad guys. Neither of those violate The Hague Convention and even if they did America never signed off on it anyway.

My personal preference would be to go to something 70 grains or heavier but that would require re-barreling every rifle in the inventory to properly stabilize it.

L

[Lurker]

These guys beg to differ.

https://youtu.be/5CCp5g4Zki8

If we are going to issue a 7.62 rifle, and we should, the FN is a well proven system. There’s a reason they were known as “The free world’s right arm”.

Best,

L

[mylife]

Dunbass Geneva convention prohibits it