Posted on 08/15/2019 4:51:52 AM PDT by EyesOfTX
Either way.
Even IF Epstein committed suicide (which I doubt), a lot of people worked bloody hard to give him the opportunity to do so in private.
1. Epstein’s lawyers petitioned to have him removed from suicide watch.
2. Despite his previous “attempt” at suicide, Epstein was removed from suicide watch.
3. The jail removed Epstein’s cellmate (would have been really strange having TWO suicides in the same cell, eh?).
4. The guards skipped their welfare checks on Epstein.
5. The CCTV cameras covering Epstein’s cell area “just happened” to fail or be disabled at the time of his death. (Funny how that seems to happen so much these days.)
We are waaaay past “accident” and “coincidence” and well into “enemy action” territory here.
The celly, in the cell before removing to another place, with his hands.
Maybe check the widows accounts. The guards are at special risk for robberies gone bad, exercise equipment failures, etc.
I’m interested in number 5 on your list. Do you have a source for CC cameras being out? I had heard that there were no cameras in the cells, but I assumed there were cameras in the halls. If there were hall cameras and they were not functioning, some investigation should easily identify when they stopped functioning and who didn’t report or remedy the problem.
Apparently the MCC has an extremely low rate of sucessful suicides.
They’ve had just one suicide death in 40 years.
Oh no wait, better make that two.
Well that has to be real - because he used the incorrect term “hung” instead of the proper “hanged”
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I am, too.
Looking harder, i read that that there are no cameras pointed into the cells, but that they do monitor the corridors outside of the cells and the cell doors.
But the news is saying that rumor came from one person and it is unsubstantiated.
So I guess I better stop using it.
But we’re still two steps into enemy territory.
Fracture of the hyoid bone is a common finding in someone choked to death.
Very few people commenting on this have any idea how you die from strangulation in a prison hanging.
Once again, you DON’T die from “strangulation” in a prison hanging if done correctly. Your cervical vertebrae break and dislocate and damage your spinal cord high up leading to death.
Mcc had a suicide 2 yrs ago.
FNC said a study in India with suicide by hanging found something like 1 in 16 had their hyoid bone broken. However, FNC didn’t say what sort of hanging since hanging from a height with the whole body weight and jumping off a chair would do more damage than sitting down doing an erotic asphyxiation. Erotic asphyxiation is possible in his cell. Remember Robin Williams did it from a 3 foot high closet door knob. David Carradine and Anthony Bourdain, too.
We’ve also not heard, or I haven’t read, what other bones were broken. Conspiracy theories are fast moving into the big flashing red lights and sirens zone for homicide.
Prince Randy Andy suddenly takes this opportunity to announce he’s stepping down from public life. Rumors are he’s pooping his pants over Epstein’s untimely death so he and Fergie had skipped out of the country. Watch for others to suddenly take end of summer vacays and if their kids aren’t already shipped off (and ignored) to foreign boarding schools, they will be now. Swiss and Cayman Island banks will be working round the clock. Wonder how this might be related to the stock market scare since everyone knew his days were numbered.
AGAIN, he did not have paper sheets.
Louis Turra killed himself at the MCC 21 years ago.
Do you have the name of the one from 2 years ago?
When one is serious about suicide, one will find a way.
Prisons are mostly all ligature free zones. At least that is a key component as any of them are built or renovated.
It was explained to me by a family member who is a prison guard (He was on duty the night Aaron Hernandez “hung” himself in a MA prison last year.)
It was explained that they will usually find something above head level when kneeling. They will use what they can find to tie around their neck. Then they will forcefully thrust against the rope until they manage to break their vertebrae or esophagus.
Sometimes they have help.
I am not suggesting that Epstein did not have help. I would certainly understand that he would not want to spend the remainder of his life in a special housing unit.
What I am writing is that hanging is not exactly the term you and I might use if we came upon someone in a prison cell with a ligature around their neck.
Having never been in prison, 99% of the people here are basing their understanding on bad TV shows.
If you think about it...how many people over the years have tried to hang themselves in any prison? (the number is pretty high over the past 100 years I would imagine.) Every time someone was successful, don’t you think prison would “fix” that problem? Over the years the prisoners would have to be very creative to come up with new ways to do it.
You might think the guards don’t care. They do. Prisoners trying to kill themselves sheds a bad light on the prison, the guards and the staff. The post suicide investigation is a pain in the ass. It goes on your record and the paperwork is a bitch. (I learned that from the family member too.)
Murders are not as common as you see on TV, eitgher—although they do happen.
More to the point is this: you had the most high profile prisoner in America-and one could argue EVER-with knowledge that could literally take down powerful people from Hollywood to DC to the Royal houses Europe and elsewhere-international bankers-etc-and The DOJ (and remember-we are being told by some here that this arrest was all part of a grand plan) treated him like a common criminal.
Instead of placing cameras in the cell and having him double guarded by agents from two outside agencies who didn’t know each other (for accountability purposes)-instead of ensuring this guy never spent a second without two sets of eyes physically on him and a third set of eyes on a monitor (and look at the resources of our Federal government-give me a break about the funding crap)-this happens.
No wonder the left wing nuts are having a field day-it happened on our watch. What would we be doing had Holder arrested him? Think about it. Would you still be saying that? Probably not. It stinks to high heaven. Barr-and whoever else should have ENSURED he was triple protected from himself and others with people they could trust. They didn’t.
What do you mean by AGAIN?
Oh, really? There has been no legitimate source the cameras weren’t working. That rumor went viral from someone’s tweet. FR shouldn’t stoop this low.
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