Posted on 10/08/2019 5:53:14 AM PDT by w1n1
Small in Size and Stature, but Big in Performance!
Introducing the game-changing P365 High-Capacity Micro-Compact. The revolutionary new concealed carry pistol that gives you more capacity, more concealability and more capability. It’s the one gun you can carry every day of the year.
The P365 was selected by the NRA's Shooting Illustrated Magazine as their Golden Bullseye winner for 2019 Handgun of the Year. You can take their word or maybe you take a P365 out for a run. The following are remarks and comments from other shooters. Many of these shooters like comparing one to another to get a gauge for performance and any function differences. The Sig P365 9mm came out to serve the needs of the majority. A compact size pistol for CCW with good accuracy and reliability. Usually, most would think of Glocks as the industry standard.
Grip
Some are saying the P365 is either smaller or about the same size as the Glock43 with an extra 4 round capacity. The trigger grip is supposed to be more comfortable due to its design. Word has it that the P365 takes some of its design cues from the X-Series of P320 pistols particularly in its stippling and the smooth undercut of the trigger guard. The undercut allows the shooter to get an even higher grip on the gun for greater control and flatter shooting.
While there is positive feedback there are some negative. Some shooters had complain about the slide-lock lever brushing up on the support-hand thumb knuckle when using a high forward support hand.
Trigger
The trigger press when fired was quick and easy. Manufacture trigger pull info comes in at 6 pounds. Many shooters stated, "the feel was lighter than that."
Trigger reset is short and distinct. Initial take-up of the trigger is light and free. The travel of the trigger once you feel the resistance in the stroke is about a quarter-inch. Pressing the trigger through the stroke is smooth and even. Once it breaks there is no over-travel.
The length of pull for shooters with small hands will have no problem working the trigger, and larger-handed folks will be able to use it comfortably. Read the rest of Sig P365 review.
Fair points.
I have trained with pistols with a thumb safety so long I’ve tried to “click” the non-existent thumb safety on my revolver before.
And I’ve been known to “click” it off on my Ruger when I don’t like the looks of a situation, but no where close to ready to draw and shoot.
As a matter of training, IF the gun has a safety, it should not come off until the gun is out of the holster and pointed in a safe direction (or towards the threat). That's not to say you cant do it earlier, just not how its supposed to be trained.
How often do you find yourself where you "don't like the looks of a situation?" Hopefully, if its enough to count, its occupational and not voluntary. Avoidance is best. Stay safe.
For me, I need a t-shirt and at least another light loose shirt on top to assure not printing, or a single heavier garment (hoodie, jacket, etc). I know folks who waist carry with just a t-shirt and it works, but I've grown accustomed to hip carry and, while I am not worried about shooting myself, I just cant bring myself to carry where the gun is pointed to a femoral artery or other 'vital' parts. So I don't mind the extra layer.
My primary home defense weapon is a Beretta Model 96, hammer fired. I store it uncocked with a live round in the chamber and the safety off. On the first round I need a strong trigger pull to cock the hammer and then drip it. Then it cycles, reloads, and cocks itself. After that all I need is a relatively light pull on the trigger to fire the weapon.
Going to the Sig, if you start with a chambered round, does your first pull on the trigger cock the striker and then drop it, or is the weapon already cocked for that first shot, resulting in a much lighter trigger pull? Please pardon my ignorance.
Every trigger pull is SA light and identical. One of the nice features of not being DA/SA.
My DA/SA is just that, but you can cock prior to the first round if you choose.
not a 365, but a p226 legion
I grew up shooting revolvers and still prefer them. Every striker fired gun I’ve tried has a trigger that sucks donkey dicks compared to my worst revolver.
Understood. Very different triggers between a revolver and a semi. And old revolvers were solidly built.
Once you go hammer back on a revolver, the trigger has a clean break, no slack. Double action just a much heavier and longer pull to get to the break.
The semi is designed (usually) to have slack that must be taken up, then a break, and if run properly, a very short reset to the next break. People who learn the semi who shot revolvers (without some coaching) tend to completely release the trigger between shots, forcing you to take up slack again before the next break. Properly trained, one points in on target while taking up slack, presses through the break and holds that press through the follow through, and releases only enough to reset the trigger, setting up the next press.
I have no idea if you have trained that way or not, but if you have, you would definitely be aware of the difference between the $200 Ruger LCP trigger and a better quality trigger on a $500-$600 gun.
But to your original donkey dick point, absolutely single action shooting a revolver has only a clean break and will be very consistent.
“I have no idea if you have trained that way or not”
Nope. I’m very much a revolver first kind of guy. For self-defense, I don’t see how ‘reset’ is relevant. I guess I could empty a gun a second or so faster by riding a reset. Very important in timed competition but I doubt the bad guy or I will notice it.
For self-defense, a gun could have a dog-poop trigger and it won’t make much difference. We aren’t cops and are not likely to ever shoot, let alone shoot at more than 30 feet.
> Every pull is a double action pull.
Not quite accurate; strikers are partially set by the action. If memory serves the 365 is more than half set. That said, the principle you’re stating is valid.
That's no limitation, my FRiend :)
PS: After I posted my comment, I re-read it and it sounded rude to you. Sorry. No offense intended. My self-defense requirements are 90% “Get off me” and 10% “active shooter” - and even that is probably in our small church where a maximum shot might hit 40 feet.
Others have different needs and may well need different things from their guns. Didn’t mean to suggest otherwise. I don’t know it all or even 10%...
My wife picked one up a month or so ago. I have not fired it yet (Still honing my skills with a .45 XDS). She is down right surgical with the P365. She has a glock daily carry but wants to slowly migrate over to the 365 for daily.
Yeah I know it’s not training.
It started because the IDF issued pilots (e.g., me) variations of the Browning Hi-Power and mine had a safety that was exceptionally difficult to disengage and I didn’t do anything about it for years. So I picked up a habit.
I figured that if I, as a pilot, was using a pistol, I had already screwed up and was going to die, so I didn’t worry that much about it.
Regarding the “how often do you find” question — sadly, with some regularity.
I’m an obviously Jewish/Israeli guy by appearance and dress, name, and speech. I travel all over the USA, Canada, Europe, Japan, etc., training military pilots to use certain equipment.
And lots of people don’t like either Jewish people or Israelis or both. Always one in a crowd.
Some places are better than others. Most countries permit me to carry while uniformed (in which case it’s openly carried) and a 9mm (now a very nice Sig P226).
The USA (strangely) does not let me carry on bases, so I rely on various state laws and arm myself in my vehicle upon leaving. I’ve patched permits together such that I can carry in all states except MA and CA, and I only occasionally have to go to San Diego and haven’t been back to MA since college.
Mostly CA-based USA pilots come to Nevada/New Mexico.
It is my prettiest pistol. SW 686 performance center, silver.
Fits very nicely in the coats my people prefer in NYC, so I can put my hand on it to “keep warm”.
Just getting back and no offense taken.
The reset thing is all about improving consistency and speed without sacrificing accuracy. Basics tell you to try to do everything the same each time for consistency. For a semi, if you can train yourself to only reset, vice coming all the way off the trigger or letting the slack out, the next ‘press’ will be short, sweet, and easily repeatable. You know the old ‘slow is smooth, smooth is fast’ thing. With practice you can get your controlled pairs or multiple shots out much faster and still be on target.
I don’t know what my ‘needs’ will be (hope I never have any actually) but I train for any I can imagine. I know you know this already - the average gun fight is over in about 3 seconds. Just as an example, I practice to go from holstered to two rounds center of mass in about .9 seconds to 2.5 seconds, the lesser time being inside of 5 yards and the greater time being greater than 25 yards, proportional times in between. If basic skills like press/reset give me a .2 second edge, I’ll take that.
Actually better than the .2 sec edge, good press and reset trigger control will get you better grouping in the same or less time. Accuracy is really the more important thing.
Not nearly the same situation, but a friend missed taking 2 bucks on one hunting trip with his 444 Marlin. On each occasion, he had a round in the chamber and the safety on. In each occasion, he pulled the trigger only to hear the “clack” of the hammer hitting the safety bar. Instinctively he worked the lever to load another round, and “clacked” again as the deer began to run away and disappear. On both occasions, he never even began to think that the problem was the safety, until long after the deer were gone and the shot was lost.
I am sure when he was practicing out the backdoor of his acreage, he never once forgot to remove the safety. But under Buck Fever, everything went out the window except point and shoot. It is even interesting that chambering another round was an automatic instinct, but the safety being on never occurred to him.
Twice. On the same hunt. He would have been better off carrying the Marlin unloaded and just chambering a round when needed. At least he would have gotten off a shot.
This lesson always stuck with me when thinking about whether to carry a firearm with or without a safety. I’m not saying it can’t be trained out like with your experience, but it is just one more thing to go wrong when you get Buck Fever or when you are under the stress of life and death. Tons of people have had success with 1911s cocked and locked, so plenty of people have been able to deactivate the safety in a life and death shoot, so it is just what you are personally comfortable with.
Here is my problem with speed:
The FBI says that unless you hit the other guy’s CNS, he will be able to shoot back for 10-20 seconds even if you hit center mass on the heart. That is due to the residual blood pressure.
About half of people quit the fight if hit, but that doesn’t mean they quit within 0.1 seconds. They quit within a few seconds, as they recognize they are hit.
My THEORY is I want to get one good shot off. Then move if possible and then take another. If I can’t move, then I want 5 very good shots. I cannot stop the other guy from killing me. Even if I hit him in the heart, he’ll have time to empty 15+ rounds into me. So my goal is at least one very good shot. Zero misses. I’d as soon die myself as hit an innocent person.
THEORY. The only time I pulled a gun in self-defense, the other 8 guys decided they didn’t want to continue coming at me. I was able to leave the area without shooting. Good thing because it was a 22 revolver with 6 shots. At very best, no more than 2 of the 8 would have paid a price. Probably only one. But no one wanted to BE number one....
But for those with good ranges and opportunities for shooting, have at it. Good luck finding a place within 50 miles of me that allows me to draw and shoot!
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