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1 posted on 10/14/2019 1:04:19 PM PDT by Black_Rifle_Gunsmith
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To: Black_Rifle_Gunsmith
Look! A Dubya judge who hasn't "grown in office"...  winking face
2 posted on 10/14/2019 1:10:01 PM PDT by kiryandil (The Media & the DNC tells you who you're gonna vote for. We CHOSE Trump.)
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“AR-15s, as we speak today, do not have a receiver by the definition of the existing law and that’s a huge issue,” Nicolaysen said. “It shows that the laws are obsolete and they’re out of sync with the realities of today’s firearms market.”

According to the judge's ruling, a firearm frame needs to contain the hammer, the bolt or breechblock, and the firing mechanism in order to meet the letter of the law. An AR-15 lower only contains two of those three items, so according to the judge, cannot be a firearm as defined in the law.

By that same reasoning, a 1911 has no frame that can be considered the firearm, either, because the 1911 has no bolt or breechblock in the frame. The breechblock is part of the slide.

And striker fired pistols such as the Glock don't have hammers at all, in addition to the lack of a breechblock in the frame.

And many bolt action rifles are striker fired, so there is no hammer in the frame.

It is a stupid ruling.

3 posted on 10/14/2019 1:13:56 PM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Black_Rifle_Gunsmith

Where did a judge change the ATF’s definition of tye AR-15?


5 posted on 10/14/2019 1:30:00 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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bfl


6 posted on 10/14/2019 1:32:45 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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“...in the Gun Control Act of 1968: One section of the Act allows any private individual to build a firearm at home for personal use if they can otherwise legally own a gun.”

Does the statute actually say “at home”? (If you know, please tell me where to look. I’ve scanned a LOT of the text and haven’t found the relevant part yet).

If the law does stipulate “at home”, how does building your rifle in some guy’s warehouse qualify for the exception. I assume the warehouse is not the customers’ “home” (but in CA, who knows...).


10 posted on 10/14/2019 1:39:53 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Black_Rifle_Gunsmith

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/11/us/ar-15-guns-law-atf-invs/index.html?no-st=1571086449


15 posted on 10/14/2019 2:11:36 PM PDT by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: Black_Rifle_Gunsmith

Abolish the ATF. Abolish Federal agencies that are redundant of state agencies. Every state has an “agency” to license and otherwise regulate firearms. The same is true of Alcohol and Tobacco.

The Federal government has too many priorities. It shoud cease activities that are redundant of state activities and focus on a few priorities and do them well.

There is no way Congress and the President can govern effectively when so many priorties means nothing is a priority and nothing is done competently or successfully.

That is true regardless of whom is in Congress and who the President is.


16 posted on 10/14/2019 2:12:36 PM PDT by spintreebob
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This is common practice for the ATF and is proof positive they only care about control and retaining their power. ATF knows many of their rediculous rulings and arbitrary pronouncements would never withstand any legitimate court and defy logic and reason. So the second they fear they will lose and possibly have to give up one of their pet unconstitutional laws or clown suit rulings they drop the charges and railroad some sort of other legal peril for the accused. It’s way past time to completely remove the F from this agency.


20 posted on 10/14/2019 2:45:49 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: Black_Rifle_Gunsmith
They were quick to warn of the potential fall-out if the court adopted the defense’s position

Typical prosecutor b.s., "oh, how inconvenient for us, Judge, if you enforce the actual law. Far easier if you just modify it to meet our needs."
21 posted on 10/14/2019 2:48:16 PM PDT by nicollo (I said no!)
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Isn't CONgress supposed to be the ones that make the laws not beer-o-crats in secret?
22 posted on 10/14/2019 2:51:48 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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Somebody please check this link out and post a new thread:

“ABC is using video from Knobb Creek annual machine gun shoot as Turkish attack on Kurds in Syria”

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/dhqc1f/abc_is_using_video_from_knobb_creek_annual/


23 posted on 10/14/2019 2:54:45 PM PDT by nralife
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To: Black_Rifle_Gunsmith
I should read the judges ruling first, but . . . .

The article is fouled up. It's unclear what the "receiver" at issue comprises. Is it a stripped receiver made from the blank? Or is it the assembled receiver with springs, pins, trigger, sear, disconnect, and hammer? Logically, the argument tends towards the stripped receiver.

The article also confounds the U.S. Code with the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR). The U.S. Code is the law. The CFR is regulation implementing the code. From what I can tell, the U.S code does not define what a frame or receiver is; only that it is a firearm per the code.

If the US Code is vague on something, regulations usually try to make it specific. It's up to the courts to decide what the law really intends.

24 posted on 10/14/2019 2:56:42 PM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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A few years ago, I owned both a Colt AR-15 and a Heckler and Koch HK-91. I thought it was interesting that the serial number on the HK-91 (as is the case in most rifles) was on the upper receiver, but the AR-15 was on the lower. I wondered how Stoner and Armalite decided, or were instructed by the government, to stamp the serial number. But even if the government regulations are vague as to the definition of “receiver”, I bet the courts would eventually decide that whatever rifle part has the serial number stamped on it is the part regulated by law. If you purchase or ship a serial-numbered handgun frame or a rifle receiver, you have to consider the applicable laws. All other parts are just “parts”, not subject to regulations.


29 posted on 10/14/2019 3:25:21 PM PDT by 04-Bravo
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To: Black_Rifle_Gunsmith

Good


30 posted on 10/14/2019 3:52:15 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Black_Rifle_Gunsmith

Title is inaccurate.

The BATFE agreed to drop charges to avoid this type of ruling.


42 posted on 10/14/2019 6:19:56 PM PDT by JamesP81 (The Democrat Party is a criminal organization.)
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After the next Revolution, the Second Amendment will be re-written to forbid the government from mandating serial numbers on arms. That would go far toward preventing infringements.

Perhaps a future Supreme Court will recognize that.

43 posted on 10/14/2019 7:05:34 PM PDT by William Tell
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BFL


46 posted on 10/15/2019 6:31:17 AM PDT by Darth Mall
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To: Black_Rifle_Gunsmith
My two cents worth: The definition of a receiver that the defense quoted was probably based upon revolvers and most common pistols that where the main target of the 1968 gun control act. In fact I can't think of any common semi-auto rifle patterned after a military model (except AK types) that would meet that definition. The trigger groups are all relatively easy to separate from the barrel and bolt housing(called an upper in some cases). As someone else pointed out, The ATF, by rule making, determined (wisely IMO) that the serial number would be placed on the lower receiver. Otherwise complete full auto AR lowers, early on, would have been legal to own (like M-2 carbine kits) without being registered. Also, as a precedent, military M-16s (although not subject to ATF rulings) had their serial numbers on the lower.
47 posted on 10/15/2019 8:01:02 AM PDT by bruoz
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Hmmmm....


48 posted on 10/15/2019 11:52:52 AM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is Mine)
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