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ATF: Michigan Concealed Carriers Can No Longer Buy Guns Without a Background Check Because of Marijuana Legalization
thetruthaboutguns.com ^ | March 4, 2020 | DAN ZIMMERMAN

Posted on 03/05/2020 4:42:05 PM PST by PROCON

Like a number of states, concealed pistol license holders in Michigan are exempted from the requirement to undergo a NICS background check every time they purchase a new firearm. That’s because permit holders have already undergone an extensive background check and fingerprinting in order to be issued a permit in the first place.

Michigan has had that exemption from the ATF since 2006, but yesterday the ATF rescinded it.

Why? Because recreational marijuana is now legal in the state. Voters approved legalization in 2018 and retail sales started December 1, 2019.

While buying and using weed may not be a state crime in the big mitten, it’s still illegal as far as the feds are concerned.

~~~SNIP~~~

Now, because the state of Michigan is issuing CPLs to people who use marijuana, the ATF sent the following letter yesterday notifying all of the state’s FFLs that Michigan CPL holders are no longer exempted from the background check requirement.


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KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; atf; banglist; cannabis; cjng; concealcarry; dea; marijuana; michigan; organizedcrime; pot; rkba; secondamendment; sinaloa; trafficante; wod
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To: PROCON
This new advisory by the ATF is yet again an assault on Michigan’s state sovereignty and singularly targets the most law-abiding among us.

Michigan "legalized" a Schedule 1 drug and then decided that they would still issue a CCW to marijuana users. Alaska, which also has "legalized" marijuana has you complete a NICS supplement when applying for or renewing a CCW where you attest that you don't use illegal drugs, including marijuana. This is a federal form, so if you use marijuana and you state you don't use illegal drugs, you have just perjured yourself since marijuana use is illegal under federal law. When Michigan does the same, they will get their NICS exemption back.

21 posted on 03/05/2020 6:17:48 PM PST by AlaskaErik
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To: Reno89519

States rights bud....get used to it...prohibition has failed again....thankfully.

And yeah...if you dont support the same restrictions for other legal drugs...such as alcohol and scripts...this qualifies as hypocrisy.


22 posted on 03/05/2020 6:51:06 PM PST by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: AlaskaErik

Toothless regulation from dc bureaucrats. From 09/2018 =>

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A new report from the federal Government Accountability Office says that last year, 112,000 people tried to buy guns from licensed dealers but were caught giving false information on the form.

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The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives referred just 12,700 cases to field offices for investigation. Of those, the Justice Department prosecuted exactly 12 — one of every 9,333 alleged liars.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-guns-background-check-prosecutions-20180914-story.html


23 posted on 03/05/2020 6:53:57 PM PST by Ken H (Best SOTU ever!)
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To: Manly Warrior

As an free man...I will pick both.

May your chains rest lightly...


24 posted on 03/05/2020 6:58:03 PM PST by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: Ken H

Also a blatant perjury trap.


25 posted on 03/05/2020 6:58:53 PM PST by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: NobleFree

“All the green herbs of the earth are yours”

Genisis


26 posted on 03/05/2020 7:02:38 PM PST by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

>Your position is not.

The law is a mess. ATF is taking the position everywhere pot is legal (I recall something likewise in CO) that you can’t violate the federal law on pot and pass the background check. I don’t think anyone on our side is happy about it, but it’s hardly surprising.

I think the pot advocates were very pleased to have people disqualify themselves for firearm purchases by taking advantage of state law changes on pot.

IMO a great opportunity for us to take the high ground (no pun intended!) If Rs pushed a bill to remove the federal law against pot, it’d put a bunch more people on the right side who reflexively vote D against drug-warrior Rs.

This would be assisted by the House Ds burying the bill. In their plans gun control is paramount and they won’t risk giving ground there for the stoner vote.


27 posted on 03/05/2020 7:17:08 PM PST by No.6
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To: Crim

You make no sense.

Are you suggesting that using mj is some kind of liberating magic potion?

Hmmmm.


28 posted on 03/05/2020 7:27:51 PM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Crim

Herbs in Hebrew/Chaldean translates as veggies.

I suppose you chew castor beans and too. Only once, though...


29 posted on 03/05/2020 7:33:26 PM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Manly Warrior

Leap to the absurd...fallacious argument.

I suppose next is “people who smoke pot shouldnt be conservative or support trump”


30 posted on 03/05/2020 7:53:08 PM PST by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: Manly Warrior

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/marijuana/2019/09/03/president-trump-reiterates-his-administration-will-let-states-legalize-marijuana/q3O3QE1SZLO8o3u3XwoZKN/story.html

Now what?


31 posted on 03/05/2020 7:57:03 PM PST by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: grey_whiskers

?????
Using that rationale, then maybe we have no standing to withhold funds from sanctuary cities “just because” they flout Federal Laws...


32 posted on 03/06/2020 3:59:58 AM PST by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Difference is leag and not ;egal by federal laws...

Using your rationale, then maybe we have no standing to withhold funds from sanctuary cities “just because” they flout Federal Laws...


33 posted on 03/06/2020 4:01:13 AM PST by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: trebb; grey_whiskers
Using that rationale, then maybe we have no standing to withhold funds from sanctuary cities “just because” they flout Federal Laws...

The Constitution recognizes our natural right to keep and bear arms, and there are no exception clauses in the Second Amendment. There is neither a natural nor a Constitutional right to federal funds.

34 posted on 03/06/2020 6:08:48 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree; grey_whiskers

“The Constitution recognizes our natural right to keep and bear arms, and there are no exception clauses in the Second Amendment. There is neither a natural nor a Constitutional right to federal funds.”

I agree - but calling Barr a gun-grabber didn’t seem to fit the deal...some think there should be zero regulation, but they probably don’t live next to a nut case that should be institutionalized...

During his cinfirmayion hearing, he rresponsed to a question about gun control:

The Hon. William P. Barr:

“Sure. I think I opposed an assault weapon ban because I felt that was really sort of the aesthetics of the gun.

Since that time Heller has been decided. Actually, before Heller, I did work on OLC on this issue, and I personally concluded that the Second Amendment creates a personal right, under the Constitution.

It’s based on the Lockean notion of the right of self-preservation. It’s tied to that. I was glad to see Heller come out and vindicate that initial view that I had.

And so there is no question under Heller that the right to have weapons, firearms, is protected under the Second Amendment and is a personal right. At the same time there is room for reasonable regulation.


35 posted on 03/06/2020 6:42:27 AM PST by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: trebb
Immigration falls clearly under the legal constitutional authority of the federal government. Deciding what one may imbibe does not and saying that a private citizen must accept an infringement of his guaranteed right because of what other people in his state may choose to imbibe is clearly outside of the federal governments power.

All powers not specifically given to the federal government are reserved to the states and the people.

36 posted on 03/06/2020 11:44:31 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (A hero is a hero no matter what medal they give him. Likewise a schmuck is still a schmuck.)
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To: Reno89519
I am talking about pot, which is against federal law and it is a shame that it is often now legal on local level. No, not same as alcohol. Sorry, won’t go there.

You're right, they are different. Somehow we needed a Constitutional amendment for the FedGov to ban alcohol, yet pot didn't? What part of the Constitution mentions regulating pot, but they forgot to include alcohol in that list?
37 posted on 03/08/2020 8:06:18 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: AlaskaErik
This is a federal form, so if you use marijuana and you state you don't use illegal drugs, you have just perjured yourself since marijuana use is illegal under federal law

But have you? What power has the FedGov been granted allowing it to make marijuana 'illegal'? Or any drug, really? That law is 'ultra vires', and I forget the legal term, but any law that is no good, was always no good. You can't get in trouble for breaking a law that has been found to be illegitimate. And many Federal laws just haven't reached that point yet.
38 posted on 03/08/2020 8:19:17 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Svartalfiar
But have you? What power has the FedGov been granted allowing it to make marijuana 'illegal'? Or any drug, really? That law is 'ultra vires', and I forget the legal term, but any law that is no good, was always no good. You can't get in trouble for breaking a law that has been found to be illegitimate. And many Federal laws just haven't reached that point yet.

You can tell that to the judge at your trial, but I don't think it will do any good.

39 posted on 03/08/2020 8:26:44 PM PDT by AlaskaErik
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