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Coronavirus in Five States: Doubts on whether the IHME model is based on any coherent scientific principles at all
Powerline ^ | 04/25/2020 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 04/25/2020 10:56:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The University of Washington’s IHME COVID-19 model is the one most widely cited by policymakers and journalists. Superficially, that model has been relatively stable, with its total projected fatalities nationwide from the Wuhan virus declining from the mid-80,000 range to its current faux precise level of 67,641, which is probably a pretty good guess–one that you or I might have made–based on experience to date.

But if we look at the IHME model’s projections for individual states, we see capricious changes that cast serious doubt on whether the model is based on any coherent scientific principles at all. I have focused on the five states of the Upper Midwest–Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, North Dakota and South Dakota–in posts dated April 11 and April 15. As a result I have a record of IHME’s projections for those five states on those dates, which is significant because, as best I can tell, each version of the IHME model’s output is sent to the memory hole when it is updated.

So here are the wildly divergent fatality numbers the IHME model has predicted for the Upper Midwestern states, on each of three dates, with the most recent update coming on April 22.

Minnesota

April 11: 442
April 15: 656
April 22: 360

Currently, Minnesota has 200 fatalities, over 75% in nursing homes and assisted living facilities. IHME’s estimate is moving in the direction of reality. But what caused the model’s gyrations over a mere 11 days? And wouldn’t a politician have been foolish to rely on the model’s projection of just nine days ago? I should perhaps add that our governor’s extreme shutdown order was predicated on a home-grown model that said there would be 74,000 fatalities without a shutdown, and 50,000 even with a shutdown–a number that was later revised downward, but nowhere near far enough.

Wisconsin

April 11: 357
April 15: 338
April 22: 356

Wisconsin’s numbers are by far the most consistent of this group.

Iowa:

April 11: 743
April 15: 618
April 22: 365

For some reason, the IHME model has it in for Iowa. It was ridiculous to predict Iowa to have more fatalities than Minnesota or Wisconsin, a fact implicitly admitted by the adjustment over the last week. Again, any Iowa policymaker would have been foolish to rely on the IHME model. And according to the IHME’s own tabulation, Iowa had only 83 deaths as of April 21.

North Dakota:

April 11: 369
April 15: 32
April 22: 356

There is no possible scientific justification for these gyrations in the North Dakota projection. Certainly nothing in North Dakota’s experience explains them. This is IHME’s own North Dakota chart, which shows deaths to date as 13. It is notable that with regard to several of these Upper Midwestern states, IHME has continued to project an epidemic, but has repeatedly moved the date back in time.

South Dakota:

April 11: 356
April 15: 181
April 22: 93

As of April 21, according to IHME’s chart, South Dakota had recorded a whopping 8 deaths. As with North Dakota, IHME predicts the epidemic will get underway any day now, only at a much lower level–around 1/4 of what was predicted less than two weeks ago. Once again, a South Dakota policymaker would have been foolish to make decisions in reliance on the IHME model, or any other model I have seen.

Liberals have viciously attacked South Dakota’s governor Kristi Noem because she refused to implement a shutdown order as most governors have done. She said that she has confidence that South Dakotans are competent to protect themselves–which, evidently, they are. The Washington Post attempted an absurd smear against Governor Noem based on the fact that workers at a pork processing plant in Sioux Falls had tested positive for COVID-19, like workers in pretty much every pork plant across the U.S. The same thing happened in a pork processing plant in Minnesota, where our Democratic governor has implemented a particularly harsh shutdown order, but the Washington Post took no notice, nor did other national media outlets. As usual, it is all about the narrative, and drive-by press coverage is the norm.

The reality, which the Washington Post has no desire to report, is that South Dakota is perhaps the nation’s best-governed state. This has actually caused problems for the state in dealing with the federal government’s bailout. Governor Noem explains in this video clip: South Dakota has a fully funded pension plan, no income tax, no corporate tax, a AAA credit rating, and a balanced budget. The problem the state has as a result of COVID-19 hunkering down is a shortfall in sales tax revenue. But that is one thing the federal dollars–more than a billion of them!–can’t be used to make up. Governor Noem explains:

Kristi Noem comes from my home county in South Dakota. I doubt that she has any interest in running for president, being sane and all, but if she decides to run she’s got my vote.



TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: coronavirus; ihme; models
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1 posted on 04/25/2020 10:56:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Doubts on whether the IHME model is based on any coherent scientific principles at all

Maybe not, but it's supported by some very coherent political principles.

2 posted on 04/25/2020 11:01:25 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrats' John Dean])
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To: SeekAndFind

Hinderaker has been good on this from the get-go.


3 posted on 04/25/2020 11:05:52 AM PDT by PlateOfShrimp (c)
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To: SeekAndFind

4 posted on 04/25/2020 11:10:54 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

According to that model, my state was supposed to be overrun with patients and people dying without even be able to see the hospital back in the end of March, but magically just two more weeks and will have this horrible peak has been said since then, of course every single time they are wrong.


5 posted on 04/25/2020 11:20:32 AM PDT by matt04
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To: Steely Tom
Doubts on whether the IHME model is based on any coherent scientific principles at all

Rather than guessing, he should go to the source. It's a statistical model, using empirical data collected in the US and overseas. They've documented it well, including the source code. Their main article on it is at:

http://www.healthdata.org/sites/default/files/files/Projects/COVID/RA_COVID-forecasting-USA-EEA_042120.pdf

They intended the model to be used for predicting hospital resources needed. It's getting misused and they seem to be allowing for that to happen. Now they are predicting dates for relaxing containment, but are basing that on one reported case per million of population!

6 posted on 04/25/2020 11:24:58 AM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: SeekAndFind

wait - what? A bad computer model????

Same folks that ginned up the one used for Glo-bull warming, no doubt.

Science usta be about science, not chasing grant money for politicians...


7 posted on 04/25/2020 11:34:32 AM PDT by ASOC (Having humility really means one is rarely humiliated)
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To: SeekAndFind

They’ve done it with Georgia. St first they said our peak would be April 13. Now they say May 5 There deaths per day are some number they pick out of a hate. If you look at what they are projecting for deaths you will see stupid numbers .... range is 4-435. Geez that’s like me predicting that Patkfield California will experience an earthquake today


8 posted on 04/25/2020 11:41:10 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Steely Tom

Yeah Fauci principles.... panic them and we will get more power and more money


9 posted on 04/25/2020 11:41:56 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: SeekAndFind

All I know is that we’re getting 30,000 cases and 2,000 deaths. We’ve plateaued for a while now.


10 posted on 04/25/2020 11:44:21 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

I meant to say daily.


11 posted on 04/25/2020 11:45:07 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

RE: We’ve plateaued for a while now.

What is the trend if the curve today?


12 posted on 04/25/2020 11:57:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is based on firm scientific principles, with correctly applied math.

It just uses the (so far) wrong assumptions about spread.


13 posted on 04/25/2020 11:59:50 AM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: SeekAndFind

You see, the secret sauce for IHME’s sorcery is the Democratic Party, the far left media, Bill Gates, George Soros and the rest of them.
They simply jack up the predicted coronavirus deaths in each state depending on if the state is thinking of opening up their economy or not.
We can’t have any of that can we?
The economy must be crushed at all costs so Trump can be defeated in November.


14 posted on 04/25/2020 12:00:46 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SeekAndFind

I think we may be looking at slow and steady for quite a while.

It depends on too many unknowns. Unknown #1 is the role of environmental contamination, and whether or not there is a “tipping point” past which wide area decontamination is required.

The difference between Wuhan and Beijing, Shanghai, and Guangzhou is very striking, and probably important.


15 posted on 04/25/2020 12:02:26 PM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: IndispensableDestiny

Joke post?
Please don’t make me laugh too much ok?


16 posted on 04/25/2020 12:03:26 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: IndispensableDestiny

It’s a crap model. They pick a number in their eange. The range runs across stupid values. eg 5-430 deaths in a day


17 posted on 04/25/2020 12:03:27 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: SmokingJoe
You see, the secret sauce for IHME’s sorcery is the Democratic Party, the far left media, Bill Gates, George Soros and the rest of them.

Nonsense.

They made (probably, hopefully) the wrong assumptions about spread of a new disease with unknown spread characteristics.

How wrong their assumptions were, we won't know until we open up again.

18 posted on 04/25/2020 12:04:20 PM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: MinorityRepublican

No we are not.
Unless you are accepting the fake death figures from New York as real. They are not.


19 posted on 04/25/2020 12:05:54 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

So what are the real numbers?


20 posted on 04/25/2020 12:06:56 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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