Posted on 05/22/2020 7:36:35 AM PDT by kathsua
The following is a repost of a discussion about what the Russian hackers were really doing in 2016.
Robert Mueller and his staff may be covering up the biggest act of espionage in the United States since the acquisition of atomic secrets by the Russians at the start of the Cold War. Mueller is supposed to be investigating what the Russian hackers called "Fancy Bear" did during the 2016 election. However, he continues to ignore an Associated Press expose indicating Fancy Bear focused on non-partisan email users including defense industry employees and those in the intelligence community. According to the AP, Department of Justice employees were aware of what Fancy Bear was doing, but didn't warn those whose emails were being hacked. . Fancy Bear used access to the Democrats national committee emails as a cover story to hide what may have been the real reason for the operation from the meatheads at the Department of Justice (DOJ).
The popular myth is that Fancy Bear was accessing the Democratic Party's emails to help Russia influence the 2016 presidential election. Russia couldn't have used the Democratic national committee emails to influence the presidential election because the candidates' organizations run the presidential campaigns -- not the national party organizations. It is unlikely Russia needed hackers to get the Democratic emails. Russia almost certainly had an agent planted in the Democratic national organization who would have used a zip drive to copy emails along with general information about party personnel and supporters. An agent in the organization can use conversations to obtain information that is never placed in the computer. China and Israel also probably had agents in the Democrats organization.
It may come as a surprise to some politicians and journalists, but Americans and Russians and their allies have been spying on each other and attempting to influence political opinions in each other's countries for 70 years.
It is time to recognize that Fancy Bear was conducting a major espionage operation rather than attempting to play politics. I don't know if the Justice Department's Fancy Bear collaborators were just stupid or the Russians paid them for their services. Nor, do I know if Mueller and his staff are taking money from the Russians or they're just trying to protect "dirty" DOJ employees and possibly former President Barack Obama. Obama's cybersecurity coordinator Michael Daniel has indicated Obama told DOJ employees not to stop the Russians.
It's time for President Donald Trump to replace Mueller and his band of incompetents with investigators who have never worked for the Department of Justice. Their mission should be to identify and prosecute those who collaborated with the Russian hackers and to determine if the Russians were able to use the knowledge they obtained to access classified information or infiltrate corporate or government computers.
Even if personal emails didn't contain classified information, they could have helped identify people who could be black mailed or be willing to accept bribes. Emails could have identified disgruntled employees who might welcome help to get even with an "unfair" employer. A covert agent could get acquainted with the employee and then tell the employee how he or someone he knew got even.
Bears watching
I hate it when the bears watch! j/k
The purpose of the Mueller investigation was to remove Trump and destroy his Presidency. It had nothing to do with “Russians” or Russian influence on our elections.
Can anyone name a single thing that Russia did that had any meaningful impact on our election? Just one?
Everyone parrots that “Russia interfered in our election” yet we have never been shown any proof. Mueller indicted a bunch of clickbait troll-farmers with a big flourish, but it was a joke and they dismissed later to avoid the embarrassment and having the public learn that they ran clickbait supporting both candidates via social media.
They could have indicted any number of nationalities for political clickbait ads. Hardly a Putin-run KGB led operation there.....
I want to see the proof that Russia interfered in our election in some meaningful way because I have never seen it despite hearing it every day from democrats (media) and republicans. If it is so obvious why can they not point to something specific?
Russia did provide funding and support for the protests against the Dakota Access pipeline... when they are up to no good they are usually more subtle than focusing on individual candidates; they get more bang for the buck- er, ruble- by manipulating the environmentalist movement.
I don’t disagree, which is why they wanted HRC to win, but that has been going on for decades.
There is NO logical argument that can be made based on facts and obvious self-interests that Putin preferred Trump. None.
Stronger defense - Trump
Stronger NATO - Trump
Big man on the world stage - Trump (it was Putin under Obama)
Energy production in the US driving down price of Russian oil - Trump
Not manipulated by environmentalism - Trump
For a few million to the Clinton Foundation they could have bought whatever they wanted.
It is all simple logic.
They are the media is already in full panic mode and after the elections the all truth will be known.
Can anyone name a single thing that Russia did that had any meaningful impact on our election? Just one?
Sure. The Russians working for the Clinton campaign.
There is that, but the impact of the Russian collusion delusion largely occurred with the Obama plan to sabotage the Trump administration after the election.
It was an excuse for HRC on her inexplicable loss.
It was the basis of the Russian collusion delusion that ensued.
It was the “insurance policy” for the Obama administration to hide what they had done.
It did not really impact our election outside of the media hysteria when Trump said “we should ask Russia for her emails” (which was funny by the way).
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