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SNIPERS – The Long Road to Recognition
Am Shooting Journal ^ | 6/19/20 | F Jardim

Posted on 06/19/2020 6:15:42 AM PDT by w1n1

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1 posted on 06/19/2020 6:15:42 AM PDT by w1n1
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Snipers were originally reviled. Soldiers on both sides in World I and II rarely captured snipers.

We developed a rudimentary program based on the British Army in WW I, but discontinued it after the war was over because shooting people from a long distance was considered barbaric.

In WW II, we had to ramp up the sniper program again. After it was over, we shut it down. It finally opened up to stay during the Vietnam war.

I knew a Marine who used an actual .50 machine gun and single-shotted it as a sniper gun during the Korean War.

2 posted on 06/19/2020 6:23:43 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: w1n1

https://allthatsinteresting.com/simo-hayha

Practice, practice, practice. - Simo Hayha


3 posted on 06/19/2020 6:29:25 AM PDT by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: w1n1
the select-fire M14 and M16 infantry rifles of the Vietnam War only seem to have produced more misses,

This jibes with my Army Ranger cousin telling me that it's amazing how many rounds could be fired on both sides and no one get hit on either side!

4 posted on 06/19/2020 6:29:28 AM PDT by libertylover (Socialism will always look good to those who think they can get something for nothing.)
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We used a modified M-14, the XM-21, with silencer and starlet scope in Nam. Very silent and accurate.


5 posted on 06/19/2020 6:35:13 AM PDT by RobertoinAL
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To: RobertoinAL

We need snipers more nowadays than ever before if you know what I mean.


6 posted on 06/19/2020 6:36:14 AM PDT by HighSierra5
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To: libertylover

We used a modified M-14, the XM-21, with silencer and starlite scope in Nam. Very silent and accurate.


7 posted on 06/19/2020 6:36:32 AM PDT by RobertoinAL
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To: libertylover
This jibes with my Army Ranger cousin telling me that it's amazing how many rounds could be fired on both sides and no one get hit on either side!

Anyone who grew up in the 80s knows this from watching the A-Team...

8 posted on 06/19/2020 6:38:45 AM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon
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To: MuttTheHoople
Carlos Hathcock...


9 posted on 06/19/2020 6:40:03 AM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: PGalt

One reason Hayha did not use a scope is it allowed him to keep his head around 3 inches lower.


10 posted on 06/19/2020 6:41:30 AM PDT by yarddog ( For I am persuaded.)
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To: HighSierra5

The last civil war began with cannon fire in Charleston harbor. The next will begin with a scoped rifle shot.


11 posted on 06/19/2020 6:45:46 AM PDT by allendale
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To: MuttTheHoople
Snipers were originally reviled. Soldiers on both sides in World I and II rarely captured snipers.

I think they still are.

12 posted on 06/19/2020 6:47:54 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: yarddog

Thanks, yarddog. I did not know that. BUMP for Simo! (yeah 1/4 Finn ancestry here)


13 posted on 06/19/2020 7:02:29 AM PDT by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: gundog; All

My instructor as a citizen Ron R.I.P. Webster (Marine) talked about Carlos Hathcock a lot. He wanted me to go to Camp Perry Ohio with him for competition shoot. I regret that I never did. Family, work and such. I learned a lot from Ron.

https://cplcc.com/national-matches/


14 posted on 06/19/2020 7:08:19 AM PDT by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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Re: “The next war will begin with a scoped rifle shot.”

Or - a nearly silent UAV with 5 pounds of plastic explosive.


15 posted on 06/19/2020 7:10:52 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: yarddog

Hayha was also about 5’ 2”, which make him a VERY small target to start with.


16 posted on 06/19/2020 7:16:21 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: RobertoinAL
If the sound of a M-14 without a silencer is a 10.

What would you rate the sound of a M-14 with a silencer? (1 - 10)

17 posted on 06/19/2020 7:59:43 AM PDT by A Cyrenian (Send everyone back to their states and let the states pay for their congress electives.)
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1-2


18 posted on 06/19/2020 8:05:46 AM PDT by RobertoinAL
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To: RobertoinAL
Really? Pretty impressive.

Thanks for the info.

19 posted on 06/19/2020 8:09:09 AM PDT by A Cyrenian (Send everyone back to their states and let the states pay for their congress electives.)
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9.5

If the scale is logarithmic, as decibels are.... The super sonic crack of the bullet would still be around 100 dB.

Even modern suppressors only reduce the gunshot of a high powered rifle by about 20-30 dB.

A 308 would run around 140 dB. unsuppressed. 110-120 suppressed.

Normal speech is approx. 85 dB.


20 posted on 06/19/2020 12:26:35 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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