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To: A.M. Smith
After administering 100 million plus doses, there are now probably the most thoroughly tested vaccines of all time.

The objection seems to rest on the fact that the vaccines will introduce the novel spike protein used by COVID-19 to infect people in order to provoke an immune response. There is speculation about the unknown damage this might cause.

I would speculate the amount of spike protein introduced by the vaccine is a tiny portion of that produced by an actual infection. They don't seem to focus on that.

3 posted on 05/08/2021 4:33:34 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: pierrem15

The tort industry starting to get cranked up to get their beaks into the trough ?!?


7 posted on 05/08/2021 4:39:31 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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To: pierrem15

After administering 100 million plus doses, there are now probably the most thoroughly tested vaccines of all time.

The missing factor is time. We don’t yet know long term effects. Long term being years.


9 posted on 05/08/2021 4:43:26 PM PDT by Flick Lives (“Today we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives.”)
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To: pierrem15

You are confused. Administering doses is in no way testing the vaccine. This is the least tested of any vaccine ever administered to a large population. It will be 3-5 years before we gain any knowledge about the morbidity & mortality. Read up on thalidomide.


10 posted on 05/08/2021 4:43:43 PM PDT by JayGalt (Nation under Assault )
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To: pierrem15

And you develop antibodies that lead to the roral destruction of said spikes so...


13 posted on 05/08/2021 4:48:12 PM PDT by RC one (When a bunch of commies start telling you that you don't need an AR15, you really need an AR15)
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To: pierrem15
After administering 100 million plus doses, there are now probably the most thoroughly tested vaccines of all time.

How does that work when it's only been a matter of months since millions have been injected? 5 years from now might be a whole different story in regards to these experimental vaccines. Will there be side effects over time? No one knows.

15 posted on 05/08/2021 4:52:03 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: pierrem15

“I would speculate”

SPECULATE. If your a small rodent or a cat with 9 lives, putting speculative new drug into your system is no problem. If not, that really nuts.


16 posted on 05/08/2021 4:52:48 PM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: pierrem15

Administering is not the same as testing.


22 posted on 05/08/2021 4:55:48 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: pierrem15

You forgot to sign your real name and list your medical credentials.


26 posted on 05/08/2021 4:58:26 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: pierrem15

The Salk Institute seems to think the damage caused by corona’s is more vascular that respiratory. Respiratory is filled with vascular for obvious reasons.


31 posted on 05/08/2021 4:59:58 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: pierrem15

Yeah, and they told our soldiers that Agent Orange was safe and posed no concern.


33 posted on 05/08/2021 5:00:43 PM PDT by Obadiah
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To: pierrem15

Would you care to detail your medical background since you are “speculating” about medical things?


37 posted on 05/08/2021 5:03:43 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Any comment might be sarcasm, or not. It depends. Often I'm not sure either.)
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To: pierrem15
What is amazing is that among anti vaxxers there seems to be no fear of Covid and its long term effects on people. The assumption is you catch Covid, followed by a couple of weeks of mild flu like symptoms and then you are hale and hearty again. But the vaccine ? That is evil. It will kill you 20 years down the road.
39 posted on 05/08/2021 5:04:51 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: pierrem15

I am glad that they are quoting an orthopod as one of their experts. This is more crap from assembled antivaxxers. Certainly entitled to their opinion but also the scrutiny of their statements.

Hundreds of millions of vaccines. Overwhelming success in highly vaccinated populations. Almost minimal side effects. Yes there is a one in several million chance of life threatening thrombus. But much less than the possibility of death from Covid.

The pearl clutches are out in force. This is not a scientific paper. This is a political statement.


46 posted on 05/08/2021 5:13:05 PM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: pierrem15
The last numbers I checked,

Some people will die or have serious complications from getting the vaccine. But the short term risk is far far less than if they get Covid.

Long term effects of either the vaccine or getting covid is anyone's guess. But I read that they have tested the MRNA technology for 20 years in animals and 10 years in human clinical trials.

I'm still hermitting and haven't gotten vaccinated yet. But not everyone has that option or is comfortable as I am at hermitting.

50 posted on 05/08/2021 5:16:25 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: pierrem15

The most thoroughly test vaccines of all time? WTF are you smoking?

Testing something for 3 months is not exactly testing. Get back to me in 3-5 years and let me know how those 100 million people are doing. Then you can make that assertion.

BTW: That’s EXACTLY what the drug companies wanted. A bunch of free testers with no risk of financial costs if harm is caused.


57 posted on 05/08/2021 5:23:06 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: pierrem15

Well, except that an actual trial has things like control groups.

At this time what we’ve got is a lot of human test subjects not involved in any formal study.


59 posted on 05/08/2021 5:25:38 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: pierrem15

“I would speculate the amount of spike protein introduced by the vaccine is a tiny portion of that produced by an actual infection. They don’t seem to focus on that.”

It seems many people are speculating! Those who shut down our economy for a flu-like disease where you have a .03% of dying and those 57 medical professionals who signed that letter.

Are you a medical doctor in epidemiology with the credentials to speculate? Otherwise, you are just another speculator.


72 posted on 05/08/2021 5:48:45 PM PDT by icclearly
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To: pierrem15

After administering 100 million plus doses, there are now probably the most thoroughly tested vaccines of all time.
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No. They are not.
“Testing” would involve data collection and objective analysis of experiences following injection.

What we have is data suppression and a lack of data collection. These unwitting ‘lab rats’ are not being evaluated, their negative reactions to vaccination are being denied, suppressed.

No one in authority is concerned - they want silence and more vaccinations no matter what.

They have lied about Covid-19 and are lying about the ‘vaccines’. This isn’t a ‘test’. It’s an attack.


88 posted on 05/08/2021 6:07:32 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: pierrem15
There is speculation about the unknown damage this might cause.

No speculation. It's been experimentally shown the spike protein can cause abnormal clotting even without the virus present.

And more and more publications are talking about the biophysical mechanisms OF observed damage, including such things as release of inflammatory signaling molecules when the spike interacts with ACE2 receptors; damage to endothelial cells in the bloodstream (mouse experiments have shown material from injections in different tissues/organs all throughout the body within 24 hours after injection); the ability of the spike protein in the lipid capsule to penetrate the blood/brain barrier...just off the top of my head.

Incidentally, VAERS has had more deaths reported in association with (yes, I am using the correct technical language, and am aware of the distinction) COVID mRNA jabs, in less than a year, than any other real vaccine during the lifetime of VAERS, and some posters have claimed, more than all vaccines put together.

Dr. Harvard Medical School’s Dr. Martin Kulldorff, who got thrown OFF the advisory board for wanting to keep JNJ *on* the market (in other words, HARVARD MED AND NOT ANTI-VAXXER), wants the vaccines to go only to those over 70 with existing co-morbidities, specifically because the risk of abnormal blood clots is so much higher for younger patients; and all the while Pfizer is bragging that booster shots will be a significant source of revenue going forward and trying to give the jab to kids as young as (IIRC) 12 years old).

91 posted on 05/08/2021 6:10:08 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: pierrem15

“... the most thoroughly tested vaccines of all time.”
Say what?
How is a vaccine that was concocted less than a year ago, thoroughly tested? Because 100M test rats have been injected? That’s the only result you could possibly have, as a “thorough test” would certainly require time as an element.
This vaccine is totally untested, and only a fool or a sheep would allow it to be injected, until two to five years of real test results were in.


106 posted on 05/08/2021 6:24:31 PM PDT by Fireone (Rush will live in our hearts forever.)
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