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Why do Muslims seek refuge in the non-Muslim West?
hurriyetdailynews.com ^ | March 8, 2017 | MURAT YETKİN

Posted on 08/22/2021 8:22:29 AM PDT by grundle

The question is a crucial one since it is one of the main political subjects in Europe, which is about to stage a number of national elections.

It is the unwritten question in the ongoing debate between Turkey and Germany over Turkish politicians’ desire to address communities from Turkey in Germany (and other countries with Turkish residents like France, Austria and the Netherlands) over the April 16 referendum about a possible shift to an executive presidential model as sought by President Tayyip Erdoğan. This is because it involves an agreement between Turkey and the European Union over the control of the refugee flux that has been amplified by the Syrian civil war.

The EU, as the world’s richest economic region with 28 countries and the house of some of most advanced democracies on earth, is trying to cope with a total of 2.3 million refugees. The number of refugees in Turkey, mostly from Syria, is around 3.5 million.

As difficulties about security and economy increase, more people in Turkey say they would like to live in another country (more than 27 percent according to a MetroPoll survey) – but not as refugees. They just want to live a more easygoing and prosperous life.

In the case of refugees, they are after security, justice and basic needs. A crushing majority of them are from Muslim countries such as Syria, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Morocco, Mali, Somalia and others.

Those running for their lives are Muslims but they are not seeking shelter in other Muslim countries, except for Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon, where the political systems are not based on religious law. They turn their eyes to predominantly non-Muslim, mostly Christian societies in the West.

Why is that so?

Rached Ghannouchi, the leader of the Ennahda movement in Tunisia, who can speak as a – or perhaps the only – success story from the Arab Spring, is also looking for an answer to that question.

In a speech he delivered in Ankara on Feb. 8 in a conference organized under the title of “Ankara Palace Meetings” by a group dominated by politicians and academics in line with the ruling Justice and Development Party (AK Parti), Ghannouchi said the following:

• “In the Medieval Ages, people living in Europe used to migrate to Islamic countries. Nowadays, unfortunately, Muslims living in dictatorships are migrating to European countries. They are not turning their heads from Islam to infidelity, they are looking for a shelter from oppression.”

When a politician among the audience asked Ghannouchi about the increasing bias against Islam in Europe and especially in France, the answer of the Islamist leader, who maturely shared power with secular politicians despite winning an election, was instructive:

• “The evidence that people in North Africa are migrating to France is that the life in France is better. … France is seen as a democratic country. There is freedom of religion [in France]. Muslims are living there in peace. Some of those Muslims have acted badly against France with terror. Some Muslims who were raised by France have misunderstood Islam. Those doing that have not only harmed France, but also Islam; they put Muslims living in France in a difficult position. We condemned those acts of terror and stood by France. … Terrorism is something we have to condemn whether it is in America, France, Turkey or Tunisia. Terror cannot have any righteous justification.”

The seasoned politician also stated that true Islam could only flourish in free and just societies, not under sectarian oppression, even in Muslim societies.

As long as Muslim societies lack true democracies with respect for rights for all citizens, migration in search of security, justice and freedom will continue. Therefore, the answer is not in building walls and fences, accepting oppressive regimes as they are because they are good trading partners or seeking to alienate them, but extending a hand to better the quality of democracies – something that will ultimately lead to better economies.


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1 posted on 08/22/2021 8:22:29 AM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

Colonizing.


2 posted on 08/22/2021 8:24:58 AM PDT by CornPop
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To: grundle

Why do birds flock to bird feeders? Why do squirrels get there first and eat eat the most?

It answers the questions of why folks flock to America and politicians run for office.


3 posted on 08/22/2021 8:25:30 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: grundle

No muslim country will accept them.

Nobody hates muslims quite as much as other muslims...


4 posted on 08/22/2021 8:25:41 AM PDT by null and void ("Fact Checkers" Didn't Need To Exist Until The Truth Started Getting Out)
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To: grundle

So they can advance Sharia Law to save the Infidel or kill the Infidel.....


5 posted on 08/22/2021 8:26:02 AM PDT by chopperk
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To: grundle
“In the Medieval Ages, people living in Europe used to migrate to Islamic countries."

Besides possibly limited numbers in few commercial/trading centers of the medieval world, is this true? Seems doubtful.

6 posted on 08/22/2021 8:26:12 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: grundle

Invasion by other means? “Peaceful invasion”?

Note that to the extent they are allowed to become citizens in their new host countries, and can vote or run for office, they can take over the political system there, and, like fleeing Californians, turn it into what they fled.


7 posted on 08/22/2021 8:26:33 AM PDT by coloradan (They're not the mainstream media, they're the gaslight media. It's what they do. )
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To: grundle

Always wondered if those Muslim Afghan women recognized the irony that their human rights were being recognized and preserved by the sacrifices of mostly white Christian soldiers. Also wonder if those newly “liberated” women considered the fact that those soldiers would one day leave.


8 posted on 08/22/2021 8:26:52 AM PDT by allendale
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To: CornPop

Right? And they keep coming until the population reaches critical mass and history repeats itself.


9 posted on 08/22/2021 8:27:44 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: grundle

To claim it for Allah.

The prime directive in Islam is to spread it and subjugate, convert or kill everyone else.


10 posted on 08/22/2021 8:28:02 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents)(Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: grundle

Pew Research Center, April 30, 2013 ————The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society Ch.6: Interfaith Relations.
“Muslims around the world agree that Islam is the one true faith that leads to salvation. Many Muslims also say it is their religious duty to convert others to Islam.”


11 posted on 08/22/2021 8:31:45 AM PDT by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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Because they can plan and plot attacks on westerners in peace while not being constantly interfupted by attacks by members of other muslim sects. Plus we have free stuff.


12 posted on 08/22/2021 8:33:28 AM PDT by dsrtsage ( Complexity is just simple lacking imagination)
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To: grundle

A few for freedom. Most are part of an invasion of conquest. And it’s succeeding. Fast. Too. Very fast in USA with the collaboration of a few billionaire traitors financing it and controlling the federal government


13 posted on 08/22/2021 8:35:12 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (Politicians are not born, they are excreted. Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: grundle

To conquer.


14 posted on 08/22/2021 8:35:58 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: grundle
They know these Afghans are Unhinged Savages just like the PLO savages .

Jordan drove ALL the Palestine savages out of their country using tanks .

These two groups are 3rd century Savages that Riot , Rape, and Rob.

No one wants them but leftists useful idiots who want
chaos to set up dictatorships.
The DemoRat party , the most evil party outside the CCP .

15 posted on 08/22/2021 8:38:32 AM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists are the real danger )
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To: grundle

Don’t ya know? I mean everything is free here and THEY can never be prosecuted for any crime they commit!!


16 posted on 08/22/2021 9:02:10 AM PDT by SMARTY (Republics decline into democracies & democracies degenerate into despotisms. Aristotle)
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To: ncalburt

truth!! we lived in Syria in the early 90’s and NOBODY wanted the Palestinians around.
Talk about arrogant MFs.


17 posted on 08/22/2021 9:04:37 AM PDT by ronniesgal (so I wonder what his FR handle is???? )
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To: grundle

Simple Rules of Engagement with Muslims -

If Infidels are present, Sunni with unite with Shi’a sects to enslave (physical, sex, monetary), convert, and annihilate all Infidels.

If no Infidels present, Sunni will turn against Shi’a until one or the other is enslaved or annihilated.

The rising population of Muslims over 1200 years shows the effectiveness of their tactics.


18 posted on 08/22/2021 9:05:02 AM PDT by RideForever (Know Islam, No Peace; Know Peace, No Islam)
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To: grundle

2 words:

ka ching.


19 posted on 08/22/2021 9:07:51 AM PDT by Buttons12 ( )
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To: ncalburt
The DemoRat party , the most evil party outside the CCP.

Are you certain it's outside the CCP?

One could make the case that it's a proper subset of the CCP.

20 posted on 08/22/2021 9:10:55 AM PDT by null and void ("Fact Checkers" Didn't Need To Exist Until The Truth Started Getting Out)
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