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Dave Rubin Goes All-In for Convention of States (Blaze TV)
Convention of States Action ^ | November 12th 2021 | Mark Meckler

Posted on 11/13/2021 10:19:43 AM PST by Jacquerie

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To: lodi90; AnotherUnixGeek; vpintheak; MCSETots; Nateman

Article V opponents typically equate an Article V state amendments convention with congress, an institution in which freedoms and rights are easily traded away today for money, media support, and reelection tomorrow.

This is an erroneous comparison, for congress is popularly derived and thoroughly corrupted from its designed purposes. An Article V convention will be new, fresh, uncorrupted, and federal, just like the only other remaining federal institution from 1787, the familiar Electoral College (EC).

Like an Article V amendments convention, operation of the EC is extra-congressional and controlled by the states. Not only congress, but the executive and judiciary have no more authority to regulate or participate in the deliberations or parliamentary rules of an Article V convention than they do to direct the EC.

Both federal institutions derive their independence from discrete sources in the Constitution itself. Like the EC, an Article V convention is temporary, and neither can be made subservient to any branch of the government. This renders the Article V convention distinct from, and superior to, the three existing branches.

If the states are so wild and politically insane such that everyone should fear the outcome of a convention, why haven’t we experienced a ‘runaway’ session of the EC? States do not have to cast their votes for the nominee of any political party. The EC is a one-day event outside the control of congress or scotus. Why hasn’t the EC proved to be dangerous? How often do electors disobey their duty under state law?


41 posted on 11/13/2021 1:09:46 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

Typically you propose 3-4 things with the idea that you settle on at least one which for me would be the term limits.


42 posted on 11/13/2021 1:11:18 PM PST by Mean Daddy (Every time Hillary lies, a demon gets its wings. - Windflier)
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To: Nateman

We should also consider all the Scotus decisions that removed so many disputes from the public square, the give and take of a free people to decide for themselves.

All the social justice “rights” like abortion, the shape of electoral districts, homosexual marriage and so many others that don’t come to mind are beyond the reach of society.

As opposed to constitutional amendments, which can be removed by the amendment process (like the 18th amendment), judicial outrages are beyond the reach of a supposedly self-governing society.


43 posted on 11/13/2021 1:37:02 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: T.B. Yoits

Correct. So let’s give the Framers’ peaceful means a try to do an end-run around, a flanking movement around our ruling oligarchy.


44 posted on 11/13/2021 1:39:06 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables
Article V limits it to proposing amendments. Not changing the constitution.

Amendments to the Constitution change the Constitution.
45 posted on 11/13/2021 1:49:04 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables
State one amendment, just a single one, which 34 states would back and 38 states approve. Just one. Go ahead, let’s hear it.

I can think of various restriction/clarifications on both the First and Second Amendments that would get backing from more states than that. There are far too many people on the Left and enough on the Right who don't understand or agree with the First Amendment and think there should be various forms of speech that should be restricted. And there are far too many people on both the Left and the Right who think that gun violence justifies even more restrictions on the availability of guns to peaceful citizens, up to and including the banning of gun possession by private citizens.


46 posted on 11/13/2021 1:53:43 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Jacquerie
The relationship between state legislatures and delegates is identical to that between you and your attorney.

Is the argument then that delegates would only carry out the will of the state legislatures? The same state legislatures which are already the object of extensive lobbying, MSM pressure and BigTech meddling?

Before I'd support any constitutional convention, I'd want to see more balance in the entities which will have an outsized influence on the outcome: the media, BigTech, and corporate lobbying efforts. I'd have been far more comfortable with such a convention in the '80s or '90s. In 2021, meddling with the Constitution is likely to produce an outcome conservatives don't like.

At the very least, restrict the scope to one or two issues: term restrictions or a balanced budget amendment.
47 posted on 11/13/2021 2:04:44 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: rarestia

I am fundamentally against Article V as seen by the Convention of States Mob. They subscribe 100 percent to the idea and talking point that nothing can go wrong with their plan.

I appreciate the link that I haven’t seen before that leads to history and study of the Article the First issue. Thanks.


48 posted on 11/13/2021 2:37:05 PM PST by wita (Always and forever, under oath in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.)
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To: Jacquerie

FBI and the deep state would declare such a thing terrorism and shut it down. It would likely trigger a civil conflict.


49 posted on 11/13/2021 3:19:39 PM PST by attiladhun2
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

Being rightly concerned about this is “hysterical” (LOL!)?
Under your calm reasoning that you are very confident about, what’s the point then? Why are people cheering this?
There is now way in heaven and earth, that any leftist would ever agree to anything that would make enough of a majority for any changes.
There is a large amount of evidence that lily-livered leftist RINO’s are more than willing to capitulate to the left. Look no further than this last week.
I trust very few people to do the right thing, and definitely no politicians.


50 posted on 11/13/2021 3:41:17 PM PST by vpintheak (Live free, or die!)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

“Amendments to the Constitution change the Constitution.”

Only if ratified. Duh.


51 posted on 11/13/2021 6:16:52 PM PST by Basket_of_Deplorables (Convention Of States is our only hope now! Desantis 2024!!!)
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To: Jacquerie

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52 posted on 11/13/2021 8:42:53 PM PST by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' Grandma - multi issue voter up)
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables
“Amendments to the Constitution change the Constitution.”

Only if ratified. Duh.


Yes, thanks for that dazzling insight. I assume the point of a constitutional convention is to produce amendments which will be ratified, however - not just for the pleasure of hearing dim-witted arguments like yours. Duh.
53 posted on 11/13/2021 9:41:00 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: The Pack Knight
If there was a possible amendment with enough support to be ratified by 38 states, wouldn’t it likely be proposed by Congress first?

No, because the interest of state legislators are often contrary and opposed to the interests of federal Congressman.


54 posted on 11/14/2021 2:58:24 AM PST by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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