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I think we already know the outcome on the challenge to Roe v. Wade
Bookwormroom.com ^ | 12-1-2021 | Bookworm

Posted on 12/01/2021 11:19:39 AM PST by servo1969

If you scan the internet, you'll see a number of headlines stating that the Supreme Court is hearing oral argument today in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, the case out of Mississippi that challenges Roe v. Wade. I'm completely disinterested because I'm certain that the outcome is pre-determined: Roe v. Wade will be upheld.

Why do I say that? Certainly not because it rests on a firm legal principle. Penumbras of emanations or emanations of penumbras do not create a federal right to abortion. The Constitution and the history of abortion in America before Roe v. Wade make it unequivocally clear that abortion is not a constitutional right; it is, instead, a matter that belongs to the individual states. Roe v. Wade is horribly written, but its folding, spindling, and mutilating of constitutional concepts, especially the 10th Amendment, is patently clear. (And by the way, whenever you're reading a turgid, boring, complex, confusing, obfuscatory Supreme Court decision, it's dishonest.)

Of course, there's the scientific and moral argument to be made about life beginning at conception but Roe v. Wade's trimester template (which gives the mother total control in the beginning and the state total control in the end) is going to be hard to challenge, so the decision will work with it. Now, instead of trimesters, they'll dance around the fact that fetuses are now viable in the second trimester with luck and good neonatal care. Morality and science will not affect the outcome, no matter how much the decision discusses them. In any event, later Supreme Court decisions threw out the trimester concept a long time ago, essentially holding that the state has no interest at all in the fetus within a woman's body, even if it's completely viable.

So, back to my certainty that Roe v. Wade will stand. The reason I say this is twofold. First, there's my theory -- which is repeatedly borne out by the behavior of the Supreme Court justices involved -- that Robertson, Barrett, and Kavanaugh are all compromised. I have no proof whatsoever of this other than the fact that, on matters of minor importance, they're rather consistently conservative while, on matters of importance to the left, enough of them will side with the leftist justices to achieve the preferred leftist outcome. Robertson used to hold that role by himself. He now has a rotating group of people to help him by coming to the left's rescue if need be.

And on what grounds might they be compromised? I've assumed it revolves around their children. Rumor had it when Robertson was confirmed that his children's adoption might have been shady. As for Barrett and Kavanaugh, I keep imagining some deep state operative showing up at their doors with pictures of the kids in hand, saying something along the lines of "Nice little family you've got here. It would be a shame if something happened to it."

For that reason -- that is, the justices' pattern and practice, combined with my paranoid suspicions -- I'm pretty certain we'll get a 5-4 majority reaffirming Roe, with two of the "conservative" justices joining in.

Another reason for my certainty about the inevitable decision affirming Roe v. Wade is that I read somewhere (and I can't remember where), that there's a concern among the justices that, if Roe goes, then Obergefell (which found a constitutional basis for same-sex marriage) goes too. That's correct. Obergefell rests firmly on Roe.

The members of the Supreme Court know that, if Roe goes and Obergefell is threatened, the riots last year will look like picnics as Marxists and anarchists again take to the streets (because that's what they do), only this time they'll be joined by rampaging gays and suburban women. We know that the justices, rather than doing the right thing, will always do the preferred thing (a) to keep the peace and (b) to keep the Deep State and its voters happy. Heck, Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D -- Violenceville) threatened a revolution if leftists don't get their preferred outcome.

That's the Democrat world. Conservatives "parade" through the Capitol and it's an insurrection requiring mass arrests, extreme penalities, and Maoist struggle sessions in the courtroom. A Democrat senator threatens a revolution and everyone nods sagely.

So yeah, I'll be beyond surprised if the Supreme Court lays a finger on Roe v. Wade.

This is one of those situations in which I hope I'm wrong. I seldom am, though, when I suspect the worst of our institutions.


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; obergefell; roe; scotus; wade
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1 posted on 12/01/2021 11:19:39 AM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969

“on matters of minor importance, they’re rather consistently conservative while, on matters of importance to the left, enough of them will side with the leftist justices to achieve the preferred leftist outcome.”

Yup. Compromised.


2 posted on 12/01/2021 11:22:30 AM PST by Rennes Templar (Come back, President Trump.)
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Women need to safely be able to hide cheating with the alphas from the beta bill paying husbands


3 posted on 12/01/2021 11:23:49 AM PST by dsrtsage ( Complexity is just simple lacking imagination)
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To: servo1969
Who is Justice Robertson?

-PJ

4 posted on 12/01/2021 11:25:31 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: servo1969
This is one of those situations in which I hope I'm wrong. I seldom am, though, when I suspect the worst of our institutions.

So true these days. I could give 100 examples.

5 posted on 12/01/2021 11:25:37 AM PST by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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To: servo1969

Three times he refers to Roberts as Robertson. That costs him credibility.


6 posted on 12/01/2021 11:27:13 AM PST by The people have spoken (Proud member of Hillary's basket of deplorables)
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To: Rennes Templar
Red States need to just forget about the federal court system including SCOTUS. They should handle abortion and all second amendment issues within the state and tell the federal government to get lost.

SCOTUS is a complete joke.

7 posted on 12/01/2021 11:31:13 AM PST by precisionshootist
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To: The people have spoken

Yeah, what a moron.

But, I’m afraid the end result is correct.


8 posted on 12/01/2021 11:31:51 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: servo1969
This challenge to Roe v Wade could be related to the COVID 19 scam.

How can a woman have "the right to choose" homicide, but be required to take the jab ! ( and don't men have equal rights with women ? )

9 posted on 12/01/2021 11:42:58 AM PST by KTM rider
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To: KTM rider
This challenge to Roe v Wade could be related to the COVID 19 scam.

... or the amendment 19 scam ...
10 posted on 12/01/2021 11:46:34 AM PST by bankwalker (Repeal the 19th ...)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Yeah, kind of destroys credibility when you get the name of the chief justice wrong, while holding yourself out as an expert on the SC. Swing and a miss, but thanks for playing.


11 posted on 12/01/2021 11:46:57 AM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: servo1969

“Another reason for my certainty about the inevitable decision affirming Roe v. Wade is that I read somewhere (and I can’t remember where)”

LOL


12 posted on 12/01/2021 11:49:22 AM PST by plain talk
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To: Political Junkie Too

Consistently got the name wrong.


13 posted on 12/01/2021 11:49:57 AM PST by Rusty0604 (" When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." -Ronald Reagan)
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To: Political Junkie Too
#4: "Who is Justice Robertson?"

Yeah, I stopped reading right there. If he can't get that right then he doesn't know what he's talking about.

As for Barrett, I have no doubt she will vote against Roe vs Wade. That is in her DNA. Kavanaugh? Well if he followed the tenents of his religion, he'd vote against Roe vs Wade too.

14 posted on 12/01/2021 11:50:58 AM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: servo1969

I think the Supreme Court will do the right thing.


15 posted on 12/01/2021 11:51:48 AM PST by karnage
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To: servo1969

Pelosi has nine mail in ballots ready for the 3am flip.


16 posted on 12/01/2021 11:52:19 AM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.for corruptiion)
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To: KTM rider
How can a woman have "the right to choose" homicide, but be required to take the jab !

And why can't women have the right to be a prostitute, use illegal drugs, etc,etc.??

It is THEIR body isn't it? As usual, they want double standards.

17 posted on 12/01/2021 11:58:16 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: servo1969

Brandon, actually answering questions today, said when asked about the arguments today, that abortion was the only rational answer. So, killing babies is rational? May he rot in Hell.


18 posted on 12/01/2021 12:07:10 PM PST by peggybac (My will is what I wanted. God's will is what I got.)
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To: servo1969

Nonsense.

The Court will rule in favor of Mississippi. The only real question is whether that ruling will just be an OK to the reduction of the 23-24 week Roe v. Wade threshold to 15 weeks or an acknowledgment that abortion law should be under the jurisdiction of the individual states.

A 15 week ruling would infer the rights of individual states to legislate abortion law but, IMHO, would still fall short of a total rejection of Roe v. Wade. But a States Rights ruling, while much preferred, still seems like a long-shot to me.

Fingers crossed.


19 posted on 12/01/2021 12:11:40 PM PST by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed.)
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To: The people have spoken
Three times he refers to Roberts as Robertson. That costs him credibility.

He is a she. Her blog is consistently excellent.

Her mistake about Roberts is just that — a mistake.

20 posted on 12/01/2021 12:29:20 PM PST by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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