He who supports Ukraine supports the enemy. Both without and within.
Posted on 05/02/2022 9:32:39 PM PDT by BEJ
Tucker is basically saying we are at war with Russia. Pelosi and Schiff have gone over to Kiev and promised an open check. Biden has already given billions to the Ukrainians. All the Democrats have agreed that they will only stop at victory for the Ukrainians. So as Moscow threatens to nuke London, Paris, and Berlin, Biden is pushing the US even farther into this war.
This is a war that is being led by the WALKING DEAD. Pelosi and Biden don't care if the US goes up in flames because they are old and degenerate and will shortly be dead themselves. They want to take the rest of us with them. These people have lied to the American people, and now they plan to destroy the American people in some nuclear war. Yes, destroy America due to their own twisted self-hatred and hatred for the country.
Everything Biden says is a lie, and you can set your watch to it. He said we will not escalate this war. When we heard this statement we should have done something immediately, because that is exactly what they have done. Everything Biden says the Democrats will do the opposite. Bank on it from these liars.
I hope Trump is making a deal with Putin, like Kerry making deals with Iran, that will spare us nuclear war. I hope Putin is smart enough to know the Democrats will be flushed down the toilet come this Nov., and more reasonable people will have power again. We can only pray for this because this war is really none of our business and none of NATO's business. Our own borders are our affair that we should be spending billions on protecting rather than giving it to inflame a war that could lead to a nuclear conflagration. We need reasonable people and the question is can we hold out till Nov., to have sane heads prevail?
Money AND munitions. So much we’ve depleted critical munitioms for our own defense.
Of course its deliberate.
This is really scary!!!!
He who supports Ukraine supports the enemy. Both without and within.
1. To protect the deep state/American left (and some on the repugnicant side) who jumped at the opportunity when Zelensky said "we are open for business".
2. To establish a competitor to the US petrodollar and credit system.
3. To deplete the west of their military. Canada is out of lots of weapons. We are out of stinger missiles. We can not supply Taiwan with howitzers. For what?
To usher in The Great Reset. Question: Would the Great Reset work better WITH or WITHOUT the Untied States out of the picture? I believe Putin is deliberately moving slowly/looking incompetently with his forces that were never designed to be like the US. Putin spent his money on NUKES. and first strike capability. I don't put it past our own military to "lower the shields" and telephone Putin or Xi when they do.
The problem is Putin appears to be on his way out too.
Good point, he will probably be replaced with someone less soft
been asking this for a while...
what are the dems and other progressives trying to bury / hide using ww3?
Remember when leftists like Helen Caldicott, Carl Sagan and the rest constantely preached that Nuclear war would end all life on the Planet?
Non-Stop.
Now the Left acts like nuclear war is no big deal. Just a flesh wound.
These people are corrupt evil idiots and many millions are going to suffer for it.
I truly fear for my family and country with people like this in power.
1. Preservation of the principle of integrity of nation states free from aggression, incursion or invasion.
2. Restoration of America's reputation as nation that keeps its promises after debacle of Afghanistan relevant to America's promise to defend the integrity of Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine surrendering nuclear weapons.
3. Preserving and even enhancing America's power to deter and even defeat if necessary Chinese aggression against Taiwan.
4. The preservation of NATO as a deterrent force.
5. Preserving resistance to submission to nuclear blackmail.
While these interests are undeniable the simple fact of their existence does not mean that there are no downside risks to America's policy as it relates to the war in Ukraine, especially as it has been implemented by the Biden administration. The downside risks include:
1. Increased risk of nuclear war.
2. Increased risk of destruction of dollar as world's reserve currency.
3. Disruption of world's foodstuffs and energy supply chains. 4. Increased inflation.
5. Risk of mission creep.
Just as the downside risks are real so the policy interests of the United States are real and legitimate. Because downside risks exist does not mean that there is no upside. That the upside inevitably contains risks, does not mean that the downside is inevitable.
If the upside is abandoned along with support for Ukraine, it is not mean that the risks we seek to avoid by support of Ukraine will inevitably be inflicted on us.
For example, although the risk of mission creep exists, it is wrong to say that American soldiers will inevitably die or that nuclear war is the unavoidable consequence of that support. If we fail to support Ukraine does not mean that Taiwan will inevitably fall.
It is fair to say that the downside risks are real just as it is fair to say that the upside calculations are real and compelling. It is not reasonable to deny either list but it is quite reasonable to balance one against the other. That means that there is no reasonable conclusion that we have "no interests" in the war in Ukraine just as it is unreasonable to maintain that there are no risks.
It is the time for little clarity of thinking and some discipline of expression if we are to avoid the clear downside risks even as we further our legitimate upside national interests.
Hi Nathanbedford. I am really trying hard to understand your upside points. Here are some of my objections. Correct me if I’m wrong.
1) Are we to enter into every war on the basis of the principle of the integrity of nation-states? That would be insane. Every time two nations are fighting we have to enter into the fight based on this principle? Whether we have any interest or not doesn’t matter — just the principle matters! And the principle matters enough to lose American lives and treasure? It doesn’t seem right.
2) Biden can’t keep his promise at home let alone abroad. Let’s start with him keeping his word at home and then expanding outwards because at home is where it really counts. If he is a lying stooge at home, it doesn’t matter how he comes across abroad. Home is the critical place.
3) You can’t defeat something that hasn’t happened and the best way to ensure the Chinese conflict doesn’t happen is to ensure competency and trust at home… which Biden is absolutely at a loss to do. Throwing money at a war doesn’t ensure anything.
4) This is not NATO’s battle. Ukraine is not part of NATO. As well, NATO should not be engaging in the kind of brinkmanship that Kennedy had to face with USSR missiles in Cuba. It is stirring the pot rather than trying to ease tensions and the possibility of nuclear war.
5) What nuclear blackmail? I’ve never heard of any blackmail going on. Putin said quite clearly he didn’t want NATO in Ukraine, that certain border states should be neutral. How would JFK like Russian missiles in Cuba facing Florida? I think Putin has a point.
Posted this on another thread; fits here too:
The U.S. is financing most of this war by proxy for Ukraine to the tune of $33+ billion dollars of taxpayers’ money, and more to come. The Biden regime has figured out that spending even more of our Country’s money up and making America poorer is a desirable outcome according to the Communist doctrine of leveling society down to one low common denominator, both financially and socially. Then in their Utopian world, everyone will be equal, equally poor that is...
There will be no middle class, just the peons and the elites who of course will have all the power and money under a Dem dictatorship. Doubt me at your own peril because this is what is happening. As the war drags on and on, how many more billions is our Country going to be willing to shell out, and believe me our “allies” are all talk and very little ponying up of money to finance this Ukrainian/Russian war. Why should they when they know the sucker, good old Uncle Sugar, will shell out the necessary financing.
When we can least afford to do so because of inflation and the insane Biden regime spending, along with their disastrous energy policy and supply chain breakdowns everywhere and for everything, Biden is going to spend billions more to keep the war going; never to win it, rather in order to further bankrupt our Country. They have incorporated the war in Ukraine as part of their master plan to destroy America as we know it.
I believe “Putin puffer” is the correct term.
“ hope Trump is making a deal with Putin, like Kerry making deals with Iran, that will spare us nuclear war.”
I do too. But he seems to be chiming in calling Putin a war criminal and conducting genocide, and telling us to get that covid shot.
And it’s a little bit comical to hear us say America is standing in the principle of preserving the integrity of nation states against invasion. That’s like a fatso lecturing you about the importance of health food.
Does nobody remember us conducting a 2 month heavy air war against Serbia to support a breakaway Kosovo? Does nobody remember at this moment we are peeling away northern Syria for our rebel force? Does nobody remember Libya where we attacked them to advance the cause of Al Qeida? Can anyone keep count of the color revolutions we’ve launched this last year?
Astonishing to hear us pontificate about not violating others national integrity.
Very fair post.
Tucker is right on.
“Let’s stop talking past each other, at least one conservative to another. Here are some upsides and downsides of our war policy in Ukraine:”
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We do not have a policy in Ukraine and we also have no end game.
You’re making things up out of thin air.
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