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To: karpov

IQ measurement is crap. Absolutely not predictor of success in life.

Yes, some groups of people are more intelligent than others. Some of that is hereditary. Like in dogs.

We don’t bred like dogs. (most of us don’t)

The Eugenics crowd need to crawl back under their rock.


2 posted on 12/03/2022 7:40:42 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Texas Fossil
Absolutely not predictor of success in life.

So? What is your point?

IQ measurement is a pretty good predictor of a lot of things, such as criminal behavior.

Lots of people with high measured IQ make stupid life decisions.

But people with highly measured IQ, as a group, tend to do better than people with low measured IQ, statistically.

5 posted on 12/03/2022 7:48:25 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Texas Fossil
IQ measurement is crap. Absolutely not predictor of success in life.

That's not what it's supposed to measure.

6 posted on 12/03/2022 7:56:51 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Texas Fossil

“IQ measurement is crap. Absolutely not predictor of success in life.”

I’d like to know the scientific basis for that statement Avoiding the pitfall of racial differences for a moment, examine the performance of Jews who have about a 10 point advantage in IQ above average whites(100). There is no doubt their collective performance in all fields including science, medicine and law far exceeds there very low percentage of the population. The same is true of East Asians.

To adequately complete a college degree one needs at least an IQ of 85; some say 100. It is pointless to encourage a college education for everyone. The average IQ of African Americans is 85.


7 posted on 12/03/2022 8:02:10 AM PST by JeanLM
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To: Texas Fossil

“The Eugenics crowd need to crawl back under their rock.”

I did not say anything about the government coercing people to have or not have children, and neither did the linked article.


14 posted on 12/03/2022 8:55:51 AM PST by karpov
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To: Texas Fossil

The intelligence quotient measures your ability to learn, not what you know. It also doesn’t measure contentiousness and moral reasoning, although they are related.

IQ does matter, but it is not the only measure of a person, nor is it entirely determinative of life outcomes. However, there is a considerable population of people in the US prison system who suffer to some degree from mental retardation. They typically have some speech disabilities and are incapable of long-term moral reasoning. This is why many prisons have turned to behavior modification programs and mental institutions use Token economies. The hope is that by teaching people about incentives, long term consequences, and the benefits of impulse control, they can become productive members of society.

The military uses IQ as a measurement of what type of job you are qualified for. I was a nuke. Nukes in the navy require high IQs. People with low IQs simply cannot do the processing required to work in the field. I’ve seen it. It is illegal for you to be in the US military with an ASVAB score less than 15. 15 corresponds with mental retardation.
The OAR (Officer Aptitude Rating Test) measures the minimum IQ requirement for someone to be an officer and a Pilot/Flight Officer.

As Jordan Peterson has said, if you don’t like IQ tests, you pretty much have to get rid of all of Psychology. It is the most accurate part of psychology and the methods used to develop it are the basis for all of the methods used elsewhere in psychology.


18 posted on 12/03/2022 10:00:47 AM PST by GeorgianaCavendish (Beam me up Scotty. There's no sign of intelligent life down here.)
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To: Texas Fossil; marktwain; karpov; JeanLM

“IQ measurement is crap. Absolutely not predictor of success in life.”

That is pure BS. Yes there are other personality traits that contribute to one’s success, but with everything else being equal, higher IQ people on average will most surely do better in life than the lower ones.

” We don’t bred like dogs. (most of us don’t)

The Eugenics crowd need to crawl back under their rock.”

No, most of us don’t randomly breed like dogs, though a lot in the ‘hood certainly do.

Most of us do eugenics at a personal level - we’re very selective in whom we marry and pro-create with. We carefully examine many traits of potential mates, and pick the one that we think is the best - which is the essence of eugenics.

So at a personal level most of us, including you, are eugenicists. I bet you didn’t know that. Well, welcome to the eugenics club!

And it’s a good thing for our species, too.


20 posted on 12/03/2022 11:31:52 AM PST by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how thery control you. )
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