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Gratitude To Ukraine
substack ^ | 12/11/22 | Timothy Snyder

Posted on 12/11/2022 10:34:29 AM PST by Sunsong

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To: lizma2

Geez, did you even read this your own link?

“Russian Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Maria Zakharova stated on June 9 that ‘arms shipment to Ukraine will lead to the emergence of an arms black market, especially in Western Europe.’”

1st *russian foreign minister* LOLOL - most likely a liar

2nd “will lead to” ?

sorry, no cigar. you offer no evidence at all


81 posted on 12/11/2022 4:57:29 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: tlozo

Hmmm. I think I am no longer a “Republican” or at least a “Status quo Uniparty been-in-DC for years-Republican,”** so I don’t care that 155 voted for aid and 39 Senators (again, “Status quo Uniparty been-in-DC-for-years Republicans”). Did they vote for unlimited continuing aid—we have given several “gift bags over the months, or was it just initially?

This undeclared war against Russia is going to wind up a WWIII if our administration is successful. And we will be in a severe recession if not depression.

We are on the verge of losing our global reserve currency status which will change the future of this country in immeasurable ways.

Was Russia planning on Nuking us prior to March 2021? I don’t seem to recall. Yet, war drums are beating.

We offered aid, but it was not and will never be enough...I
lived through Viet Nam, Afghanistan, etc. We have spent our greatest treasure on these wars—human life and vast resources. And I ask, for what? And so this administration had the most disgraceful withdrawal from a worthless war, yeah, I don’t typically agree with what they are funding no matter how much they or anyone here wants to legitimize this new war with noting bi-partisan efforts.

We are so weakened, we need to build up our country before we can take on a nuclear power or anyone else like the more dire threat, China.

The Good Samaritan story is being posted around here indicating US is selfish. Well, aren’t mothers continually told they need to take care of themselves in order to take care of the family. Why is that not just as important a story?

**Call me an “America First Republican.”


82 posted on 12/11/2022 5:06:46 PM PST by Freedom56v2
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To: Sunsong

“For those claiming to be for peace by calling on the U.S. to stop arming Ukraine, please listen to Nobel Peace Prize winner
@avalaina:
“Peace cannot be reached by a country under attack laying down its arms...This would not be peace, but occupation.”
~ Michael McFaul


83 posted on 12/11/2022 5:16:57 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: lodi90; All

This is Russia attempting to get K Street to grasp that the western frontier of the Ukraine and the Crimea is existential to Russia. Our traitor political class meanwhile presume they are the masters of the universe and can arrange both a profitable war in the Ukraine and break Russia apart while opening the gates to the third world replacement population. As whitey can get killed off in a forever war with Russia the third world flood can move into where he used to live.


84 posted on 12/11/2022 5:29:06 PM PST by robowombat
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To: robowombat

Our traitor political class couldn’t care less about Ukraine. They want war on us and not Putin. Obama sent blankets to Ukraine and deferred to Merkel in 2014. Then Biden refused many aid requests to Ukraine in 2021 while partnering with Putin on Iran and removed President Trump’s sanctions on the Nordstream 2 pipeline. Those are the facts at hand. Choose to ignore them if you wish.


85 posted on 12/11/2022 5:40:06 PM PST by lodi90
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To: lodi90; All

Wrong. There is a great deal of money to be made off of a forever war in the Ukraine and a Cold War 2 with Russia. Just as GW Bush’s handlers concocted the ‘Global War on Terror’ to do the same thing after 911 and to take any heat off the House of Suad. With the end of the Afghan charade a new forever war scenario was needed. The Ukraine fills the bill well. The problem is Russia is serious about its borders and it does have nuclear and thermo nuclear weapons. K Street does believe it can order the world about and always win. That is an explosive combination. People such as you are either paid stooges or typical moralizing saps who believe in a comic book/Boy’s Life vision of the world.


86 posted on 12/11/2022 5:56:47 PM PST by robowombat
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To: robowombat

So why did Biden refuse Ukraine aid requests then? That’s a very odd thing to do if the intention is to “make money” and “make endless war.” So obviously you’re wrong on that point.

The fact is there is far more corrupt money to be made partnering with Putinist Russia on Iran and the climate change nonsense. Ukraine is a backwater. Politically and economically.

Imperialist Russians considers all of the former USSR “its borders”. Shame on any conservative endorsing such irredentism that dooms millions of free people to misery and death in a Russian prison. We’re better than that. Period.


87 posted on 12/11/2022 6:11:25 PM PST by lodi90
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To: lodi90; All

Afghanistan was still available.
Why do you, ostensibly an American, care about the borders of Russia? An don’t use that ancient stalking horse of Munich. What is it there any true American should be willing to spend a dollar on let alone possibly have a war over. If Russia could resurrect the east bloc, who cares? It is the problem of those nations not ours.

I don’t care what happens to foreigners, I only care about my country and my interests. The rest is just giddy minds and foreign quarrels among strangers.

By the way, did you actually ever do anything in these shitholes K Street kept telling us were vital to democracy? I did, I was lied to, doubt you ever got closer than your TV set while hell of a lot better men than you put their lives at risk....for? NOTHING.


88 posted on 12/11/2022 6:27:08 PM PST by robowombat
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

+1


89 posted on 12/11/2022 6:34:23 PM PST by grey_whiskers ( (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.))
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To: Freedom56v2
Hmmm. I think I am no longer a “Republican”

Reality is that its a two party system and the best that you can do is to try to push a party in the right direction.

Did they vote for unlimited continuing aid

Votes are always for a set amount which is distributed through the year

Was Russia planning on Nuking us prior to March 2021? I don’t seem to recall.

Seriously? Russia has 1.600 nuclear warheads, mostly pointing at us. Russia did demand that NATO withdraw to pre-1997 borders, leaving Poland and the Baltics. Is China planning at nucking us? Otherwise should the US ignore them? Should we give them the green light to attack Taiwan unimpeded?

We offered aid, but it was not and will never be enough.

Plenty of frozen russian assets, am against funding for rebuilding.

We are so weakened, we need to build up our country

US spent 6.6 trillion last year with about 60 billion going to Ukraine. A pittance.

**Call me an “America First Republican.”

Spending a pittance on Ukraine to neutralize the russian military was exactly the best for America.

90 posted on 12/12/2022 1:47:57 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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