Posted on 12/24/2022 4:24:46 AM PST by marktwain
A bizarre police killing in a sparsely populated part of Queensland, about 170 miles northwest of Brisbane, Australia, happened on Monday, December 12. The accused police killers had all worked for the Queensland Department of Education. Two were brothers, Nathaniel and Gareth. Gareth was married to Stacy, who had been married to Nathaniel. Both Nathaniel and Stacy were school principals at one time. Gareth resigned from his school position in 2016, Nathaniel in 2020, and Stacey in December of 2021, reportedly because of the mandatory Covid vaccination policy. Both Nathaniel and Stacy were reported to be well regarded in their schools before becoming radicalized.
Four officers were investigating the property, on a "welfare check" requested by police in the neighboring state of New South Wales. The welfare check was instigated by a call from the estranged wife of Nathaniel Train. The three assailants were reported, in the Daily Mail, to be methamphetamine addicts. Meth is known to make people paranoid. From dailymail.co.uk:
It is understood Constable Rachel McCrow, 29, and Constable Matthew Arnold, 26, arrived in the first vehicle, and met up with a second car containing Constable Keely Brough and Constable Randall Kirk, both aged 28, before approaching the property.
McCrow and Arnold then honked their horn to alert the residents of their presence. When there was no movement from inside the house, the four officers got out of their cars and jumped over the locked fence.
Seconds later, a shower of bullets descended on the four officers, believed to have been fired by Nathaniel and Gareth Train and Gareth's wife Stacey.
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On Tuesday, Daily Mail Australia revealed the Trains had spent years fortifying the wooden home into a makeshift
bunker to try to fend off an assault by police which they had long anticipated.They had also been bingeing on methamphetamine, with Gareth posting increasingly bizarre conspiracy theories online that claimed the 1996 Port Arthur massacre was a military operation and Princess Diana was killed as a 'blood sacrifice'.
This correspondent has not found any confirmation of Meth use or addiction. No toxicology reports have been found.
After the initial killing, the Train trio posted a video online claiming the police came to kill them, and they killed the police instead. From theguardian.com:
After ambushing police officers with a hail of bullets, Stacey and Gareth Train huddled together in the dark at their remote Queensland property and recorded a video.
“They came to kill us and we killed them,” Gareth said in the video, uploaded on Monday night and still circulating online.
“If you don’t defend yourself against these devils and demons, you’re a coward.”
Devils and demons are descriptions often used by methamphetamine addicts when involved in violent crimes in the United States. The Guardian article mentions several Christian end of times references as well. In the Guardian article, the Trains claim several previous "welfare checks", and harassment by authorities.
The Premier of Queensland, Australia, Annastacia Plaszczuk. has used the incident to call for a national gun registry. Paszczuk has been the leftist labor party PM in Queensland since 2015. From abc.net.au news:
Ms Palaszczuk echoed her comments, saying a national register should be discussed at national cabinet.
"Anything we can do to tighten gun laws in this country would be a good thing," she said.
Australia has some of the strictest gun laws in the world. The laws vary by state, but conform to a set of national standards. The standards were agreed to by the Australian states in the rush to pass draconian gun restrictions after the Port Arthur mass killing in 1996. The extreme gun laws have had little effect on homicide or suicide levels. Mass killings have occurred after the 1997 laws were implemented. From news.com.au:
National cabinet will consider options to better regulate gun ownership in Australia in the wake of two police officers and a bystander being killed in Queensland, the Prime Minister has announced.
The rush to use the killing of the young police officers to impose even more restrictive gun measures seems well supported in the Australian media.
How a national gun registry could have prevented these police deaths is far from clear. Firearms possession is not uncommon in rural Australia.
The tragedy bears some resemblance to the killings at the Branch Davidians in Waco, in the and the Ruby Ridge incident in Idaho in the USA. A key difference is the potential presence of Meth in Australia, and the ambush of police.
Opinion:
Much remains unclear in this tragedy. Were the Train trio Meth users or not?
How often did the police have contact with the Trains?
How was it four police officers were deemed necessary for a "welfare check"?
A video supposedly put out by the Trains, claimed Nathaniel was a whistleblower on corruption in the New South Wales Department of Education and the New South Wales police.
These people wanted to be left alone.
The ChiComs have taken Australia without firing a shot.
They did it the old-fashioned way.
The ChiComs bought it.
what a bunch of stupid Sheila’s
>>These people wanted to be left alone<<
These perps could have settled on Marijuana for their paranoia—but no—Meth was far better!
We do not know they were Meth users... It is possible, but there has not been any confirmation it is true.
You would think the police would want to confirm it, if it is true.
Did they have a warrant, or just hop the fence? My knowledge of meth-heads is that when they reach a certain point, they’ll just sit and look out a window. If they’re far enough gone, they’ll hallucinate people coming inside their perimeter.
There was no warrant. It was a "welfare check".
We do not know how many "welfare checks" were done at the location previously.
That said, they may have just been expecting to be raided. Vigilance, rather than acute paranoia.
From what little I hear out of Oz, they may be at the inflection point where they need to dig up their guns and put the government back in its place.
“During the buyback program, Australians sold 640,000 prohibited firearms to the government, and voluntarily surrendered about 60,000 non-prohibited firearms. In all, more than 700,000 weapons were surrendered, according to a Library of Congress report on Australian gun policy.”
Hey, maybe it was only law abiding citizens that gave up their right to defend themselves.
Some pretty nice shotguns in there.
I think I could find one or two “keepers” in that bunch.
Notice how some of the barrels are bent.
They should have sent out a few social workers in lieu of cops...this incident would have ended on a happier note. /s
This was a supposed "welfare check", not an attempt to arrest criminals. This is the sort of case where that might actually be a good idea.
I didn’t notice that! Those are for shooting your shotgun around corners.
“These perps could have settled on Marijuana for their paranoia—but no—Meth was far better!”
Marijuana is not even in meth’s league - but under Queensland law both are illegal, and meth being more concentrated is easier to conceal. Cockeyed drug laws are the real gateway.
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