Posted on 05/20/2023 6:52:59 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas
And Khadafi?
I remember when we bombed him under Pres. Reagan. He had no US weapons.
You are saying the same things I was on Usenet back in the day.
It was a leftoid talking point in the 1990s that the US had armed Saddam Hussein. When asked “with what, exactly?” they emitted squid ink and fled.
Its actually an interesting exercise in messaging analysis to examine the Nazi propaganda line.
You may be surprised at what they were saying, and when, and for what reasons.
It is very easy to find Russian media on the internet. Almost all of it is directed domestically. One can say that messaging to the “west”, or internationally, is almost non existent.
The Russians have done a very poor job of making a case for themselves. They have, in particular, not bothered to make a moral case for their war.
It’s just a meme.
On the Hussein side, perhaps that frame is ‘fake but accurate’ if the ‘we’ is the USA. But, actually, no, it is right on, if you view the ‘we supplied him’ as the Deep State Cabal.
The point was these leaders, zelenskyskysky included, are just tools for the DSC/CIA/MSM.
Jon Boy!
Dance, sing, drink vodka!
“It’s just a meme.
On the Hussein side, perhaps that frame is ‘fake but accurate’ if the ‘we’ is the USA. But, actually, no, it is right on, if you view the ‘we supplied him’ as the Deep State Cabal.
The point was these leaders, zelenskyskysky included, are just tools for the DSC/CIA/MSM.”
Wow, thats alot of mumbo jumbo.
9 months later...
Grinding Nazis into the dirt is the moral imperative.
I don't have a dog in the fight of Putin versus Zelensky.
But it is NOT right on.
WE never supplied a single weapon or weapon system to Hussein's Iraq. Nor Kaddafi. We just didn't. It isn't right on, it is a lie.
You're just spouting lies. Stop.
You make so many good points otherwise. Why ruin your credibility?
Breaking News l Bakhmut Has Fallen l Russian Forces Fully Captured Bakhmut
winning too slowly, I get it, but remember, it was Wagner’s convicts and mental cases that just beat NATOs best. How did that happen?
Iraqi Order of Battle equipment, 1990:
https://history.army.mil/books/www/appc.htm
A totally Soviet Supplied Army: This doesn’t include Aircraft or Helicopters.
T-54/T-55 Series Main Battle Tank
T-62 Main Battle Tank
T-72 Series Main Battle Tank
BMD-1 Airborne Combat Vehicle
BMP-1 Infantry Fighting Vehicle
BMP-2 Infantry Fighting Vehicle
M-1974 Series Artillery Command and Reconnaissance Vehicle
BRDM-2 Scout Vehicle
BTR-50P/BTR-50PK Armored Personnel Carrier
BTR-60PB Armored Personnel Carrier
MT-LB Series Armored Personnel Carrier
YW-531 Series Armored Personnel Carrier
EE-9 Cascavel Armored Car
EE-11 Urutu Armored Personnel Carrier
AML 90 Light Car
VCR Armored Personnel Carrier
M-3 Armored Personnel Carrier
105-mm. Model 56 Pack Howitzer
122-mm. D-30 Howitzer
130-mm. M-46 Field Gun
152-mm. D-20 Gun-Howitzer
155-mm. G5 Gun-Howitzer
155-mm. GH N-45 Gun Howitzer
8-inch M115 Howitzer
100-mm. T-12/MT-12 Antitank Gun
105-mm. M-56 Howitzer
122-mm. M-1974 (2S1) Self-Propelled Howitzer
152-mm. M-1973 (2S3) Self-Propelled Howitzer
155-mm. GCT Self-Propelled Gun
107-mm. Type 63 Multiple Rocket Launcher
BM-21 Multiple Rocket Launcher System
FROG-7 Artillery Rocket System
SS-1C Scud-B System
14.5-mm. ZPU-1 Antiaircraft Gun
14.5-mm. ZPU-2 Antiaircraft Gun
14.5-mm. ZPU-4 Antiaircraft Gun
23-mm. ZU-23-2 Antiaircraft Gun
37-mm. M-1939 Antiaircraft Gun
57-mm. S-60 Antiaircraft Gun
23-mm. ZU-23-4 Self-Propelled Antiaircraft Gun
57-mm. ZSU-57-2 Self-Propelled Antiaircraft Gun
SA-6 (GAINFUL) System
SA-8 (GECKO) System
SA-9 (GASKIN) System
SA-13 (GOPHER) System
Iraqi aircraft, 1990:
Airplanes—There are some older French and Canadian aircraft. But then again, Iran had and still has a ton of USA made aircraft, all sold to the Shah, not the Ayatollah.
Antonov An-12 Cub-A
Antonov An-2 Colt
Antonov An-24 Coke
Antonov An-26 Curl-A
Antonov An-32 Cline
Aero L-29C “Delfín” Maya
Aero L-39C Albatros
Aero L-39ZO Albatros
Chengdu F-7A Fishcan
Britten Norman BN-2 Islander
Dassault Falcon 50
Dassault Mirage F1EQ
Dassault-Breguet Super Étendard
de Havilland Canada DHC-1 Chipmunk
de Havilland DH.100 Vampire FB.52
de Havilland DH.112 Venom FB.50
Hawker Hunter F.6
Iljushin Il-28 Beagle
Ilyushin Il-76M Candid-B
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15bis Fagot
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-17F Fresco-C
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-17PF Fresco-D
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-19S Farmer-C
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21MF Fishbed-J
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21bis Fishbed-N
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23BN Flogger-H
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23MF Flogger-B
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23MS Flogger-E
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25P Foxbat-A
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25RB Foxbat-B
Mikoyan MiG-29B Fulcrum-A
North American F-86F Sabre
Shenyang F-6A Farmer
Sukhoi Su-7B Fitter-A
Sukhoi Su-20 Fitter
Sukhoi Su-22UM-3K Fitter-G
Sukhoi Su-22M-4 Fitter-K
Sukhoi Su-24MK Fencer-D
Sukhoi Su-25K Frogfoot-A
Tupolev Tu-22K Blinder
Xian H-6D Badger
Yakovlev Yak-18 Max
big day.Have a beer Seedy! Bakhmut Bakhmut
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Wagner PMC has liberated Artemosk(formerly Bakhmut)!
and on the 1 year anniversary of liberating Mariupol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjh37yXEseo
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If anyone has an english translation of the Prigozin speech,please post it...
Helicopters; The Bell is a civilian model that was militarized in country by the Iraqis and three Hughes variants were all made and sold in the late 50s/early 60s, even before Vietnam.
Aérospatiale SA-316B Alouette III
Aérospatiale SA-321H Super Frelon
Aérospatiale SA-330 Puma
Aérospatiale SA-342K Gazelle
Bell 214ST
Bölkow Bo-105C
Bölkow Bo-105L
Hughes 300C
Hughes MD-500MD Defender
Hughes MD-530F
MBB/Kawasaki BK-117
Mil Mi-1 Hare
Mil Mi-4A Hound-A
Mil Mi-6T Hook-A
Mil Mi-8T Hip-C
Mil Mi-8TV Hip-F
Mil Mi-17 Hip-H
Mil Mi-25 Hind-D
Gaddafi and Hussein were taken out on false-flag wars because both were seriously threatening to to have their nations abandon the petro-dollar currency. The DSC doesn’t like that, and the CIA/US-Military back in the day made sure of it.
the liberation of bakhmut occurred at 3:54 local time.
here’s another video for you
from weeb union
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ov4qLlw5ww
What are you smoking?
That’s just crazy talk.
Back in the 1980/90s, they both were active threats to our country and our servicemen. I lived through that, and I’m not going to let you disparage our just actions.
I do agree that Iraq invasion of 2003 was wrong, simply because Hussein kept a lid on the even-more-crazy fanatics, but that’s on Bush, not our servicemen.
The Deep State got it’s big boost by Bush’s Patriot Act and Obama, and the rest may be so (regarding Kaddafi) but not before 2000...
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