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Ukraine has already lost the war with Russia, and the Biden administration, with assistance from the U.S. corporate press, is lying about it, according to a U.S. intelligence official.
timcast.com ^

Posted on 09/22/2023 3:04:31 PM PDT by MNDude

The explosive claim was made in the latest bombshell report published on Sept. 21 by Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh, who spoke with an official who has access to current intelligence about the conflict.

“The war is over. Russia has won. There is no Ukrainian offensive anymore, but the White House and the American media have to keep the lie going,” the official said.

According to Hersh’s report, the war is continuing because Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky insists that it must. Currently, there is no discussion at Zelensky’s headquarters or at the White House about a ceasefire and no interest in discussions that could lead to an end of the conflict.

“The truth is if the Ukrainian army is ordered to continue the offensive, the army would mutiny. The soldiers aren’t willing to die any more, but this doesn’t fit the B.S. that is being authored by the Biden White House,” the official explained.

Hersh’s report was published two days after Zelensky was in the U.S. delivering a 15-minute speech to the United Nations (UN), his first address to the General Assembly since the conflict with Russia began in February 2022.

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1 posted on 09/22/2023 3:04:31 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: MNDude

IBTZs insist this is wrong!


2 posted on 09/22/2023 3:09:06 PM PDT by Jane Long (What we were told was a conspiracy theory in ‘20 is tnow fact. Land of the sheep, home of the knaves)
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To: MNDude

At this point, the US is spending a lot of money just to get as many Ukrainians killed as possible. We will get no other result for our money.


3 posted on 09/22/2023 3:09:27 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (They say "Our Democracy" but they mean Cosa Nostra.)
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To: MNDude

Like we didn’t know that already.


4 posted on 09/22/2023 3:11:46 PM PDT by HighSierra5 (The only way you know a commie is lying is when they open their pieholes.)
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To: MNDude
If Ukraine "wins" we will own the mess left behind and the cost of rebuilding.
If Russia wins, they own it.

5 posted on 09/22/2023 3:13:32 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty)
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To: MNDude

LOL More bullcrap from Hersh.


6 posted on 09/22/2023 3:16:14 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: HighSierra5

Yep, hut don’t waste your time telling that to UMCRevMom.


7 posted on 09/22/2023 3:16:19 PM PDT by Murder of Crows
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To: MNDude

The Ukraine “War” is nothing more than a massive money laundering operation benefiting both sides of the aisle..money is flowing into Ukraine, then into Zelenskyy and his officials hands and back to the US and cayman islands into the bank accounts of many GOP/Dem senator and Congress critters paws that is how this works


8 posted on 09/22/2023 3:16:31 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: MNDude

He’s an intelligence official, but is he the sought-after “expert”.


9 posted on 09/22/2023 3:18:33 PM PDT by nesnah (Infringe - act so as to limit or undermine [something]; encroach on)
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To: MNDude

It doesn’t matter that Ukraine has already lost, they nor Russia will be allowed to end this WWIII. Only one scenario offers the possibility of ending this war - President Trump.


10 posted on 09/22/2023 3:23:01 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: MNDude

Truth hurts those who hate truth


11 posted on 09/22/2023 3:31:14 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Murder of Crows; Worldtraveler once upon a time
Yep, hut don’t waste your time telling that to UMCRevMom.

I'm breathlessly waiting for today's "Update From Luzern", where Denny the Draft Dodger and his rabbits fill us in on the social whirl in Switzerland's hottest night spots.

12 posted on 09/22/2023 3:33:42 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: MNDude
From the article:

Columbia University Professor Jeffrey Sachs recently detailed two main factors responsible for the conflict:

1. The U.S. intention to expand NATO to Ukraine and Georgia in order to surround Russia in the Black Sea region by NATO countries (Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey, and Georgia, in counterclockwise order)

2. The U.S. role in installing a Russophobic regime in Ukraine by the violent overthrow of Ukraine’s pro-Russian President, Viktor Yanukovych, in February 2014. The shooting war in Ukraine began with Yanukovych’s overthrow nine years ago, not in February 2022 as the U.S. government, NATO, and the G7 leaders would have us believe.

Sachs added:

Biden and his foreign policy team refuse to discuss these roots of the war. To recognize them would undermine the administration in three ways. First, it would expose the fact that the war could have been avoided, or stopped early, sparing Ukraine its current devastation and the U.S. more than $100 billion in outlays to date. Second, it would expose President Biden’s personal role in the war as a participant in the overthrow of Yanukovych, and before that as a staunch backer of the military-industrial complex and very early advocate of NATO enlargement. Third, it would push Biden to the negotiating table, undermining the administration’s continued push for NATO expansion.

13 posted on 09/22/2023 3:34:02 PM PDT by Kazan
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Good - Russia can shut down all their radars tonight


14 posted on 09/22/2023 3:36:37 PM PDT by 11th_VA (<><)
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To: Jane Long

Biden’s crimes over there are far from over. His war included.


15 posted on 09/22/2023 3:36:57 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: MNDude

Seymour Hersh is rarely considered a credible source on the right but it sits fine with putinofiles.


16 posted on 09/22/2023 3:38:17 PM PDT by lonestar67 (America is exceptional)
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To: MNDude
There is no Ukrainian offensive anymore

I didn’t realize there was an offensive to begin with. Simple logic would dictate that an offensive would include taking actual ground.

I lost by trust when Bush-Cheney invaded Iraq in search of weapons of mass destruction. Day after day, week after week we were lied to. There was always an excuse for not finding weapons of mass destruction. We were strung along by government and a compliant media. There was only one media outlet of note that printed the truth. That was Knight Ridder. They do not exist any longer. Since then the msm is completely dead to me. They have zero credibility and have done nothing to regain their credibility.

What has been occurring with the Ukrainian offensive is no different than what occurred in Iraq. Most of the world has been strung along from the very beginning. It’s today’s yellow cake. I refuse to be fooled twice. Sorry, none of this fool me three times and shame on you.

Our government and every damn supporter of Ukraine has blood on their hands. There is no reason for the lies unless something nefarious is happening. There is plenty of evidence that’s actually the case and it leads back to the Biden Crime Family. At every turn Biden has thwarted all peace deals between Ukraine and Russia. That began prior to Russia’s invasion and continues today. There are consequences to following such corrupt leadership; many easy to foresee and others that will not become apparent until much later in the future.

Shame on you Zeepers.

17 posted on 09/22/2023 3:41:25 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Vacate the chair. Shutter the government until it can be correctly defunded.)
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The war is over. Russia has won. There is no Ukrainian offensive anymore,

The interesting thing about predictions like this is they’re easily proven or falsified by the passage of time.

If we see evidence that the Ukrainian offensive is continuing next week, will you reconsider the quality of this source?

18 posted on 09/22/2023 3:42:33 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: MNDude

I figure Zalensky has the dirt on Joe Biden and his son Hunter. Got to remember that Hunter was on the board of Burisma, a Ukranian oil/gas company for a year bringing in a cool $50k a month when he had no professional experience in the energy sector.


19 posted on 09/22/2023 3:44:45 PM PDT by kawhill (kawhill)
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To: Gunslingr3
None of the Freepers who post every pro Russian article they can find ever question whether their opinions are wrong or not.

That behavior suggests their role is as propagandists, not people interested in actually discussing the situation.

20 posted on 09/22/2023 3:45:50 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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