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Israeli Official: Hamas Raped ‘Women, Grandmothers, Children’ So Violently ‘They Broke Victims’ Pelvis’
PatriotandLiberty ^ | 10/23 | Ryan Saavedra

Posted on 10/23/2023 1:16:20 AM PDT by spirited irish

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To: janetjanet998

Video
A Palestinian man celebrates on the streets of Gaza as Hamas fires rockets over his head toward Israel.
Soon after, he posts a video of himself crying in a hospital after an Israeli airstrike
https://rumble.com/v3r1eta-a-palestinian-man-celebrates-hamas-rocket-fire-then-cries-at-hospital.html

“What does one have to do with the other?”
vs
“That’s why we had to do it”


21 posted on 10/23/2023 1:31:43 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Milagros

Hate is a terrible thing—it can make men into monsters.


22 posted on 10/23/2023 1:34:08 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: magooey

I got that, but if they believe the false origin story, and they can’t touch pigs… ergo they can’t touch Jews. It’s a modifier to the rape section.


23 posted on 10/23/2023 3:28:00 PM PDT by Grey182 (Trump won, Benedict XVI never resigned & Jeffery Epstein didn't kill himself.)
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To: Grey182; spirited irish; Milagros; janetjanet998; zeestephen; Candor7; linMcHlp; ZULU; bray
Show us the written fatwa that you claimed to have heard. It needs a proper reference. Also explain why, if it does exist, it would trump canonical Islamic Law.

Are you claiming no rape occurred during the Hamas massacre? There are numerous eyewitness testimonies, which is enough to get people convicted in court.

Or are you arguing that since the Hamas people are holding onto the videos they took, there is no publicly available video or photo evidence of the commission of rape by Hamas?


24 posted on 10/23/2023 6:01:24 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

NO these are NOT men. They are demons of Allah.

If they were once humans they are now possessed by a demon from Allah. That is why we can kill these Hamas Jew killers with impunity. WHats being killed is not even human.This we know fro theoir conduct with babbies...beheading and birning babbies. That is an act of a demon, not a human.


25 posted on 10/23/2023 6:09:48 PM PDT by Candor7 (( Ask not for whom THE Trump trolls...He trolls for thee!)<img src=""width=500></img>)
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To: Grey182

NO the re is no “rape section” they are talking consensual sex with captive women.

Thats how they avoid the rape accusation....thier oredations are “consensual.” Notice the language....its all counched as being consensual sexual intercourse. The iussue is coitus interruptus to avaid pregnancy and having an obligation to raise the child as a Muslim.


26 posted on 10/23/2023 6:13:09 PM PDT by Candor7 (( Ask not for whom THE Trump trolls...He trolls for thee!)<img src=""width=500></img>)
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To: magooey

Sounds like you have seen rape videos from the attack?

We know that the Israeli government knew Hamas was going to attack. Reports are they moved 60-80% of their standard deployment away from the Gaza border to the West Bank on the 50th anniversary on the ‘73 war. No counter assault occurred for seven to twelve hours. One woman from a kibbutz said on Israeli radio that the captors treated them well and that, in her area, everyone else died in the crossfire, including her husband, except herself, another woman and the Hamas Commander who surrendered by stripping down and following her out of their building. Should we believe the MSM?

Video from the hospital bombing suggests the Israelis hit the hospital, but reports say the Israelis did warn them ahead of time.

What is true and what isn’t.

Have I not found the fatwa, only comments I discussed before. Everyone, seems to be suggesting that forced rape of captives is against Islam, are they saying the rapes didn’t happen because these are devout Muslims? I just have questions.

There is too much bs from all sides, just like Ukraine and Russia. Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, babies tossed out of incubators etc. People are trying to get the US into yet another war. The ground invasion of Gaza was delayed and now all the rape talk gets amplified by the media.

Maybe the rapes are true, but in the end someone let it happen. So, who is more guilty, the one that commits the crime or the one who had the power and knowledge to stop it yet let it happen anyway?


27 posted on 10/23/2023 8:10:16 PM PDT by Grey182 (Trump won, Benedict XVI never resigned & Jeffery Epstein didn't kill himself.)
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To: Candor7

I see your point that forced rape is not allowed. Still, there is a certain amount of coercion involved.


28 posted on 10/23/2023 8:15:37 PM PDT by Grey182 (Trump won, Benedict XVI never resigned & Jeffery Epstein didn't kill himself.)
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To: Grey182; spirited irish; Milagros; janetjanet998; zeestephen; Candor7; linMcHlp; ZULU; bray
You stated -

Sounds like you have seen rape videos from the attack?

We know that the Israeli government knew Hamas was going to attack. Reports are they moved 60-80% of their standard deployment away from the Gaza border to the West Bank on the 50th anniversary on the ‘73 war. No counter assault occurred for seven to twelve hours. One woman from a kibbutz said on Israeli radio that the captors treated them well and that, in her area, everyone else died in the crossfire, including her husband, except herself, another woman and the Hamas Commander who surrendered by stripping down and following her out of their building. Should we believe the MSM?

Video from the hospital bombing suggests the Israelis hit the hospital, but reports say the Israelis did warn them ahead of time.

What is true and what isn’t.

Have I not found the fatwa, only comments I discussed before. Everyone, seems to be suggesting that forced rape of captives is against Islam, are they saying the rapes didn’t happen because these are devout Muslims? I just have questions.

There is too much bs from all sides, just like Ukraine and Russia. Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, babies tossed out of incubators etc. People are trying to get the US into yet another war. The ground invasion of Gaza was delayed and now all the rape talk gets amplified by the media.

Maybe the rapes are true, but in the end someone let it happen. So, who is more guilty, the one that commits the crime or the one who had the power and knowledge to stop it yet let it happen anyway?


29 posted on 10/23/2023 8:28:53 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: Grey182; spirited irish; Milagros; janetjanet998; zeestephen; Candor7; linMcHlp; ZULU; bray
Previous was just quoting Grey182 to others interested in the topic. He is making too many excuses to avoid the testimony and reality of vicious rape by Hamas.
30 posted on 10/23/2023 8:35:06 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: magooey

I have not seen any rape testimony, perhaps you can post some links.


31 posted on 10/23/2023 8:41:34 PM PDT by Grey182 (Trump won, Benedict XVI never resigned & Jeffery Epstein didn't kill himself.)
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To: magooey
From Raymond Ibrahim - Infidel Women: Islam's "Spoils of War". We are supposed to believe that Muslims suddenly stopped raping infidel women as matter of religious policy. Read here.

The subhuman treatment of non-Muslim women by jihadi organizations such as the Islamic State or Nigeria's Boko Haram - where "infidel women are bought, sold, gang-raped, mutilated, dismembered and burned alive - is relatively well known (thanks to ISIS itself, for disseminating images and videos). Less well known is that "infidel" women are treated in similar ways all across the Muslim world, as explained by a 2016 report:


32 posted on 10/23/2023 8:46:03 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: Grey182; spirited irish; Milagros; janetjanet998; zeestephen; Candor7; linMcHlp; ZULU; bray
From Raymond Ibrahim - Infidel Women: Islam's "Spoils of War". We are supposed to believe that Muslims suddenly stopped raping infidel women as matter of religious policy. Read here.

The subhuman treatment of non-Muslim women by jihadi organizations such as the Islamic State or Nigeria's Boko Haram - where "infidel women are bought, sold, gang-raped, mutilated, dismembered and burned alive - is relatively well known (thanks to ISIS itself, for disseminating images and videos). Less well known is that "infidel" women are treated in similar ways all across the Muslim world, as explained by a 2016 report:


33 posted on 10/23/2023 8:47:48 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: Grey182; spirited irish; Milagros; janetjanet998; zeestephen; Candor7; linMcHlp; ZULU; bray
Grey182 -

Because of the historical experience, normal people would assume the muslims would be committing a lot of rape unless proven otherwise. It is a waste of time to deal with someone who is coming off as a rape enabler for those who are expected to commit religiously sanctioned rape.


34 posted on 10/23/2023 8:55:15 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: magooey

I grant you that other groups have a history of it, but does Hamas have a history of committing rapes?


35 posted on 10/23/2023 8:59:09 PM PDT by Grey182 (Trump won, Benedict XVI never resigned & Jeffery Epstein didn't kill himself.)
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To: Grey182; spirited irish; Milagros; janetjanet998; zeestephen; Candor7; linMcHlp; ZULU; bray
Ladies and Gentlemen

It is a waste of time to deal with someone who is coming off as a rape enabler for those who are expected to commit religiously sanctioned rape. I refuse to continue this discussion.


36 posted on 10/23/2023 9:18:22 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: magooey

Read Cantor7’s post #26, he said there is no rape section in the koran.

Now you are calling me a rape enabler, perhaps you should read the Terms of Service.

Americans suspect guilt, but we don’t assume guilt.


37 posted on 10/23/2023 9:27:05 PM PDT by Grey182 (Trump won, Benedict XVI never resigned & Jeffery Epstein didn't kill himself.)
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To: spirited irish

Hamas - Future undocumented Democrats enroute to the United States.


38 posted on 10/23/2023 9:36:05 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Grey182; spirited irish; Milagros; janetjanet998; zeestephen; Candor7; linMcHlp; ZULU; bray
Making excuses for rape and trying to get others responsible for the rapes that occurred is a violation of conservative principles of individual responsibility. But this is exactly what you have said, and there is hardly any way to understand you otherwise.

Refusing to give evidence of a certain fatwa raises concern that you are merely repeating nonsense or misunderstood what you heard. Unless you can bring the actual fatwa to the forum your argument fails.

Looking at the Koran, and not considering Sura or Hadith, you must think all are ignorant of the legal bases of Islam.

I am not interested in wasting my time with someone who denies Hadith.


39 posted on 10/23/2023 10:01:51 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: magooey

WRONG You misread me. Responsibility for rape cannot be transferred, but it can be shared. Those who swear an oath to protect their country have a duty, before God, to protect their country. If they knowingly do not then they are the rape enablers and more than that, they are traitors and deserve the death penalty, just as the rapists deserve death.

After all the lies and propaganda, if you don’t suspect the media of lying idk what to say. After Bret Kavanaugh (frat boy) and the Duke Lacrosse team (college athletes). Shouldn’t we be little skeptical, if only in the scale of the crimes?

The powers that be want war, and they will say and do anything to make it happen.


40 posted on 10/23/2023 10:52:16 PM PDT by Grey182 (Trump won, Benedict XVI never resigned & Jeffery Epstein didn't kill himself.)
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