Does this mean that a degree from Yale and Harvard is now meaningless as an indication of actual knowledge gained?
Ivy’s are hard to get in and easy to get out.
Baby Deep State Wobegon.
When did Connecticut rename Lake Whitney Lake Woebegon?
Pretty tough and demanding going to Yale. Lots of free “extra credit” for being a protestor on call azho though.
Anyone who knows anything about “Ivy League” schools knows you do not get in unless (a) you are a member of a “protected class,” (b) Mommy and Daddy have lots — and give lots — of money, or (c) you are a “legacy.” In all three cases, all you have to do to get an “A” is show up. And a lot of these brats cannot even do that...
Federal funding, student loans, - all about the $
The Ivy League wanted to increase diversity, so they let in a bunch of minorities who were not qualified to be there. Of course, they would be forced to inflate grades! Otherwise, they would have all failed!
Everybody is special....
It would be good for a random sample of Harvard and Yale students to take standardized tests on the way out, along with others at a variety of other colleges. This way we could see the comparison.
Standardized tests for admission to Law School and graduate school aren’t random as they compare those seeking the next level among the graduates of bachelors programs. But, these scores are readily available and they are administered to motivated test-takers.
The schools with the highest average LSAT scores for their students are:
Harvard–173
Yale–173
Columbia–171
Stanford–171
UChicago–170
Duke–169
NYU–169
UPenn–169
Virginia–169
Northwestern–168
WashUStL–168
These are very impressive scores. Near perfect at the top. Harvard and Yale students seeking law school do much better than students at “average” schools seeking law school.
The same schools are well-represented among the top scorers on the GRE (used for PhD programs in the arts & sciences, and also for med schools), except ... some engineering schools like MIT are included.
BOTTOM LINE: whatever these top schools are doing, they’re doing well. I will now refer to the recent Supreme Court decision on reverse discrimination. The Court was o.k. with using race as one among a variety of considerations in admissions BUT NOT WITH race-based quotas.
We who seek to restore academic freedom and equal treatment under the law (the so-called conservative position), want these things for the elite schools because they are so good. If they weren’t as good as they are, we’d be indifferent.
For the kind of money it costs to go to Yale, you have a right to straight A’s. /sarc
As a contrast, I graduated in 1968 from the University of Minnesota Mechanical Engineering department which at the time was rated third in the US, behind only MIT and Stanford. I had 3.2 GPA. That means that I had more Bs than As. My diploma reads “With Honors”, which meant I was somewhere in the top 10 percent of the graduating class. The university gave me a gold shoulder tassel to wear at the graduation ceremony to signify this. I have no idea what Harvard or Yale were doing at the time, but I’ll bet it wasn’t a lot different. This demonstrates how bad grade inflation has been since then.
I BET this wouldn’t be happening if all the students were white males. I can almost guarantee this is a ‘social justice’ policy.
Even in the 90’s I saw university work/assignments completed by females graded as an ‘A’ when the work was CLEARLY not ‘A’ material. I know a ‘woman of color’ with a MASTERS in Electrical Engineering that seems to have no technical insight, now holding a Director level role only requiring customer relations.
It makes no sense, I believe we have an army of ‘boosted’ degrees out there.
OK, I am a dinosaur
My HS Ag teacher said:
10 is an A
9 is a B
8 is a c
7 is a d
‘you figure the rest’.