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The Latest Boeing Incident is Emblematic of the Competency Crisis
Citizen Watch Report ^ | Chris Black

Posted on 01/08/2024 7:38:05 PM PST by davikkm

This sort of thing is going to get worse and with increasing frequency.

>More than 170 Boeing airplanes have been grounded after a refrigerator-sized hole opened up in the side of a passenger plane mid-flight.

>The Federal Aviation Administration said it would order the temporary grounding of certain Boeing 737 Max 9 airplanes after an Alaska Airlines flight was forced to perform an emergency landing on Friday following the loss of part of the fuselage.

(Excerpt) Read more at citizenwatchreport.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: aviation; boeing; competency; faa; flight; flying; safety
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1 posted on 01/08/2024 7:38:05 PM PST by davikkm
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To: davikkm

Boeing lines the pockets of politicians and unsafe planes get passed through FAA scrutiny.


2 posted on 01/08/2024 7:39:21 PM PST by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER REV. NIEMOLLER)
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To: davikkm

Happy beyond measure that I no longer have to fly ANYWHERE for work.

Nope. Grounded for the foreseeable future. :)


3 posted on 01/08/2024 7:41:15 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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To: davikkm

It seems the previous Max grounding was a competency crisis.

It feels like an accountability crisis at this point.


4 posted on 01/08/2024 7:41:33 PM PST by Freest Republican (This space for rent)
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To: davikkm

Boeing’s quality control is in the crapper. Boeing has a NASA contract to build a new capsule. After years of work they discovered they had to replace much of the wiring on the new capsule. They had used materials that were problematic in a fire. My first thought was the Apollo 1 capsule fire that killed 3 astronauts. Besides the 100% oxygen, the wiring was found to be one of main problems. And here is Boeing, years later, mucking it up.

Another problem is NASA has ceased cost plus contracts. Those were contracts where as the cost of something increased, NASA just paid it. With the advent of SpaceX and reusability, costs have plummeted. NASA’s contractors will have to control costs, and build something worthwhile at the same time.


5 posted on 01/08/2024 7:47:58 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III
Are they using soy-based insulation to feed the mice?


6 posted on 01/08/2024 7:51:43 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: davikkm

I flew myself around in my 1948 Navion for 20 years never had a problem.


7 posted on 01/08/2024 7:59:16 PM PST by Dandy (Drain the swamp baby!!!)
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To: davikkm

Like every other company in the US, Boeing has been on a massive cost cutting mission over the last 20 years. The objective is to maximize stock value and thus executive pay. They do this by outsourcing as much as possible, including a lot of the engineering. Their MO now is to only hire as many in house engineers as needed to get through a project then fire them when they’re done. There is very little legacy knowledge there, they have to reinvent the wheel every new airplane they design or every new series of an old airplane (like the MAX). Pilots note that there are a lot of similarities between Boeing designs and Embraer systems. That’s because most of embraer’s airplanes were designed by engineers Boeing had discarded. It’s not likely to change unless the Harvard MBA management culture is somehow rooted out.


8 posted on 01/08/2024 8:13:56 PM PST by GaryCrow
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“Their MO now is to only hire as many in house engineers as needed to get through a project then fire them when they’re done.”

Been there done that.. Not for Boeing but another couple companies. It is good money when they hire me on contract. Then, Out the door. However, they do keep the ‘diversity’ hires to avoid being “THAT’S RACIST.” It is a shame. I take pride in my work as a design engineer and sad to see issues like this, that should have never happened, drag us all down in the crapper.


9 posted on 01/08/2024 9:00:50 PM PST by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eye)
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To: GaryCrow

It’s not likely to change unless the Harvard MBA management culture is somehow rooted out.

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Seen it. MBAs are killing us.

Started with McNamara’s Harvard MBAs and the military.

Unless someone remembers farther back.


10 posted on 01/08/2024 9:02:34 PM PST by dagunk
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To: davikkm

“This sort of thing is going to get worse and with increasing frequency.”

Really? A freakish one-off occurrence means that things are sliding down hill???

When was the last time this exact thing happened?


11 posted on 01/08/2024 9:10:36 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist .)
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To: Dandy

The Navion is a cool old plane.. not very fast but it has a sleek look.

I am partial to the old Cessna taildraggers like the 140/170 .. they are great in the grass but skittish on a hard runway landing with a crosswind.


12 posted on 01/08/2024 9:31:27 PM PST by Bobalu (I can’t even feign surprise anymore.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III

DEI strikes again....


13 posted on 01/08/2024 9:32:48 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: davikkm

Investment outfits are downgrading shares of Boeing to a hold rating from a buy rating.


14 posted on 01/08/2024 9:37:06 PM PST by Texas resident (Biden=Obama=Jarrett=Soros)
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To: GaryCrow
It’s not likely to change unless the Harvard MBA management culture is somehow rooted out.

It will have to be rooted out in the manufacturers, the airlines, DOD, NASA, etc ...

Technical merit should be valued much more highly than cost in awarding contracts.

15 posted on 01/08/2024 9:39:13 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Texas resident

“downgrading shares of Boeing to a hold rating from a buy rating.”

To get investment advisors to recommend sell the entire fleet needs to crash land simultaneously...

Lol.


16 posted on 01/08/2024 9:59:52 PM PST by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: davikkm

“loss of part of the fuselage”

Explanation of the Boeing 737 -900 MAX emergency exit door. It is a “plug” -type but dynamic. The door hinges downward on the outside of the aircraft:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw4eQGAmXQ0


17 posted on 01/09/2024 12:28:50 AM PST by linMcHlp
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To: dagunk; All

“Started with McNamara’s Harvard MBAs and the military.

Unless someone remembers farther back.”


Goes way back.

Here’s Cadillac in the 1930’s:

“Once he was head of Cadillac, Dreystadt turned the division’s attention to production efficiency, where he saw much room for improvement. He believed that the parts and the production process for Cadillac did not need to be far more expensive than for other GM divisions.

His approach paid off. By the late 1930s, Cadillac had drastically lowered per-unit production costs, while of course still commanding luxury prices, therefore raising profitability. “

Also, note the Woke moves by this guy.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/automotive-history/nicholas-dreystadt-ended-racism-at-cadillac-in-the-1930s/


18 posted on 01/09/2024 1:07:58 AM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: davikkm

“This business will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emdzsz_XvfA


19 posted on 01/09/2024 7:26:57 AM PST by nagant
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To: davikkm

https://www.boeing.com/resources/boeingdotcom/principles/diversity-and-inclusion/assets/pdf/Boeing_GEDI_Report_Strategy.pdf

Here is a detail report on what is wrong with Boeing. Posted right on their website!


20 posted on 01/09/2024 7:31:08 AM PST by IamConservative (I was nervous like the third chimp in line for the Ark after the rain started.)
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