Posted on 02/16/2024 11:45:35 AM PST by libh8er
Riggght...so I guess 9/11 was a Mossad-CIA operation in your twisted worldview too, eh?
In a sense, Zelensky is invading the US. Trump’s military advisor said we’ve given so many weapons to Ukraine, we can’t defend us.
But the fact remains that we really don't know who did it do we, which was my point, along with were we justified in the two invasions & twenty years wars?
Try answering the questions instead of trying to make stuff up when you know that question you asked was irrelevant. But then again you can't answer the question, at least not honestly. But you also can't deny that both were invasions.
So, are we any better than Russia, because both involve invasions, and according to you invasions on their face are terrible. Especially if one player is a known scumbag, thus no need to inquire about the other player is there?
Loving my country does not mean that turning a blind eye to what our leaders do in our names must be my response to prove my love for my country. Because what my country does is actually important to me, and I am not proud of a lot of things it has done, because a lot of it has been evil. Oh, you know like abortion upon demand up to and including after delivery, which the latter is outright murder of the most vulnerable amongst us.
Silly me. I thought that it was Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.
Guess not, right?
See, you keep proving my point, that we really do not know who did it. There are those who claim it was Mossad & Israel, can you say with certainty that is wasn't? I can't. There is even a video claiming that the celebrants of the Tower attacks were Israelis, are they? Some claim it was an inside job, and that explosives had to have been used yo bring down one or more of the towers. Some of these people making these claims, are actual engineers, not just some Joe Shmoes off the street making wild accusations.
But changing the argument somewhat, we were lied to with regards to the corona virus, Covid-19, as to its danger and the actions we must take to stop the spread, and they had to know they were all lies, so how can you be certain that lies were not made about what really happened to the World Towers? The distrust is our own government gas-lighting the people. That is not my fault. Like you I used to believe everything my government told me. They have destroyed my trust.
It's important to protect the sovereignty of Ukraine, but we must allow unfettered invasion of this nation, also all of the European nations. We can't be bothered with a train derailment that created a real health hazard in East Palestine, that Joe Biden finally graced them with a visit over a year later. We can't be concerned about a fire that killed 99 people.
I mean you really are not as concerned about your fellow Americans as you are about Ukrainians, who brought a lot of the problems they are experiencing upon themselves by virtue of their own actions.
Ah, you finally admit it...you're a 9/11 "truther."
It figures.
Why am I not surprised.
You certainly try your darndest to twist my words, so I assume that this your subtle way of admitting that you are a stinking liberal, or even worse a stinking moderate who has stolen from the people of this nation, robbed then of their heritage & destroyed their nation.
Just continue staying mum on the invasion of this nation that number in the 10s of millions. It befits the buffoon that is you.
Thanks for playing, I knew I cold count on you to reveal your true self.
Yes we do and we know how. 9/11 conspiracy theorists use selective ignorance to avoid facts they don't like.
Something that I absolutely accepted as the truth myself, but am now no longer sure about anything, because the government has proven time & again that it lies with impunity to its own people without the slightest hint of remorse. While it should bother you as well, it apparently doesn't faze you in the least does it? Covid-18 was far more than just an attack, but I bet you fail to see that reality also.
None so blind as those who will not see. They are the ones who are easily deceived, because of their blind devotion. They mistake that devotion as patriotism, but it is not, because our leaders are human, and some humans are evil. Are your current leaders evil or honest men you would die for because you believe they would die for you?
Also, 9/11 and Covid 19 have nothing to do with each other.
“This is not the US anymore...”
You bet it isn’t. I wonder why I bother to vote. Why should anyone when elections are stolen.
Girkin is a former FSB colonel. When FSB officers start wars, Russia start wars. Its that simple and there is no way around that conclusion.
“nothing even comparable between the two, other than an invasion aspect”
Actually they both were infamous for mass murder. Hitler had his 6 million Jews, plus several million others like Gypsies and homosexuals. Stalin had his Kulaks (small independent farmers), perhaps 8 to 10 million of them. Ukranians speak of the Holodomor, the deliberate murder of more than 3 million Ukes by starvation when all their food was confiscated.
Regarding 9/11 and Covid. A number of Saudis were identified as involved. I think communications and money were connected with wealthy Saudi bin Laden and he was no longer welcome in SA.
What the 2 situations have in common is secret actions by several administrations in pursuit of money.
* When bin Laden was being hunted in the Tora Bora caves, it was reported the cave maps produced by the CIA had disappeared which made it a lot harder to catch him. Who lost the cave maps. Were they lost to lengthen the hunt and the war to feed the MIC?
* On 3/23/200, Trump and Mark Meadows received information from Dr. Zelenko regarding effective early treatment of Covid using virus stopper ZINC, ionophore HCQ to help get zinc into infected cells, and antibiotic Azithromycin to kill bacteria in lungs. In less than 2 weeks Fauci and Trump no longer mentioned ZINC as a part of this treatment, as Fauci pushed costly Remdesivir, and he, Pfizer and Moderna were pushing vaccines as the answer. Subsequently the Biden admin health agency heads continued the mistake/crime? by limiting HCQ, Ivermectin, and early treatment. Many unnecessary deaths resulting, and lots of money for Gilead Sciences, Pfizer, and Moderna.
Sorry, again comparing Apples & Oranges, for you are comparing the USSR which was formed in 1922 after Russia was defeated by communists in 1920, and it was run by Stalin, who were also part of the Allied forces arrayed against Hitler & the Nazis. Stalin BTW was from Georgia. So, far while dangerous, Putin is no Stalin reincarnation, & Russia doesn't even come close to the USSR in the power it wields. But all of the atrocities, which I fully recognize as being true, have nothing to do with Putin himself, or Russia in its current reincarnation after the implosion of the USSR.
If you own a firearm, it would be akin to blaming you personally for all of the mass murders that have taken place in this country. It's called guilt by association. So let's refrain from trying to inject emotional arguments that really have zero relevance at all.
Why was Saudi Arabia not targeted for invasion? Because of oil?
You at least make the case for our invading Afghanistan, to chase Osama bin Laden, the rest about losing the maps is irrelevant exposing either our incompetence or a traitor from within committing sabotage, but it doesn't explain why a 2nd set couldn't be rushed over there. Regardless of all that trivial nonsense, you have made the case that there are indeed legitimate reasons to execute an invasion. Which then means that the reason given must be examined. You also never even attempted to offer up justification for our invasion of Iraq, which at the time was the claim of their possession & use of WMD. No such WMD were ever discovered. In the world's eyes that made the invasion totally illegitimate. Did they have WMD that they got rid of, quite possible & perhaps even probable. That was the excuse I offered up at the time.
Putin gave the reason of the continued terroristic attacks in eastern Ukraine were still being carried out, & that the attacks were being carried out by actual Ukrainians who openly & proudly proclaimed their support for Nazism & their involvement in it as well. That was poo-pooed as nonsense, but it actually wasn't nonsense.
Both were legitimate arguments, but were they necessarily valid reasons becomes the next question we must examine.
The ongoing skirmishes in eastern Ukraine had been ongoing for 8 years. There had been two attempts to bring about a peaceful resolution with the Minsk Accords/Agreements which Ukraine had signed, but had refused to implement.
Some want to interject the Budapest Memorandum, but logically speaking, if Ukraine can ignore the Minsk Accord/Agreements, cannot Putin & Russia ignore the Budapest Memorandum? I don't see why not personally. After all, Russia had held up to their agreement in the Budapest Memorandum. It was the actions of Ukraine that carried out a coup, started hostilities in astern Ukraine against its Russian speaking citizens, and were ignoring the Minsk Accords/Agreements they had signed, so what compelling argument is there that Russia must still abide by its agreement of the Budapest Memorandum?
Putin had indeed showed restraint while trying to get the international community to assist in stopping the hostilities, but was basically ignored by the international community.
When Putin saw the same type of shenanigans take place in the runup & execution of the 2020 election he began to realize that he was forced to either take action himself or turn his back on fellow Russians living in Ukraine. He chose to not turn his back on fellow Russian speaking Ukrainians in Ukraine. Gee, I'm almost envious of the Russian people for having a leader who does his job of protecting his his fellow Russians, even of they are actually citizens, against the injustices being meted out to them. Because he had seen the same thing carried out against Viktor Yanukovych.
We certainly do not have leaders like that as recent events in East Palestine & Hawaii showed. Biden couldn't even take time to visit either of them, until he recently visited East Palestine to pat himself and his administration on their backs for all that they did in making the city & her citizens whole again. Does he really think anyone buys that straight-up lie?
Anyway, moving on:
Well, we later learned that the Minsk Accord/Agreements were a ruse designed to buy time to equip & train a Ukrainian military force that was to take on the Russian military force. The whole concept was doomed for failure from the beginning. We further learned that they were working on a peaceful resolution until Boris Johnson instructed Zelenskyy to not come to an agreement with Russia, that NATO would have Ukraine's back, which was hardly the case at all in reality. But it shows that there was an intent to hold a proxy war with the intention of weakening Russia & possibly the removal of Putin, a belligerent move without question, and a bad move in the geopolitical world without a doubt, because the American public had just spent trillions on 2 extended military excursions that had produced nothing yet again.
Further exposed was the fact that there were numerous labs in Ukraine that were working on illegal weapons that we had made prohibitive weapons to possess, biological weapons. We had previously learned that these weapons were being experiments on & produced in American colleges, and when they were forced to stop them in the US they transferred the experimentation & creation of these weapons to another enemy of this nation, China. This was all revealed thanks to Covid-19, but it speaks volumes about our nation, which should stun & ignite anger each & every American, but apparently it doesn't.
We also learned that these experiments had either escaped or were intentionally released, and the really bad aspect, was that there was an intentional coverup by our government regarding the origin of the virus, and that our government was involved in this whole experimentation development process.
The government repeatedly lied about the effectiveness of off use medicines that would effectively combat the virus, that you brought up, so kudos to you for that, stating that only a vaccine would solve the problem which Fauci made millions on personally. There need to be several in the government arena who need to face long stiff prison terms, as well as, hefty monetary fines for their attack against humanity.
We actually have a lot more in common than we disagree about. That being mainly our involvement in the Ukraine/Russia conflict. Because you see Russia as being the one who started it via the invasion. I & others here see it as more bad leadership by the criminal anti-America forces that encompasses the entire Democrat Party, along with the RINO faction of the Republican Party otherwise referred to as the Uni-Party. The same people who have been fleecing the American people of their money, destroying their heritage, as well as, destroying their nation. That support for our involvement is inviting more of the same from our government instead of real change that is needed before we lose this nation completely.
You are indeed a 9/11 truther. You and a handful of other conspiracy-theory crackpots conveniently ignore what even the perps admitted to:
https://www.foxnews.com/story/bin-laden-claims-responsibility-for-9-11
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2006/9/8/al-qaeda-video-takes-credit-for-9
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/bin-laden-claims-responsibility-for-9-11-1.513654
So, since it was stated that he was in Afghanistan caves, there may be some justification of invading Afghanistan to go search for him, but shouldn't we be provided proof that Afghanistan invited Osama bin Laden a safe harbor as well? But justification of invading Iraq, which relied upon WMD possession & use, actually provided no evidence of WMD possession Oops, a problem with the Iraq invasion now crops up.
The discussion had nothing to do with me being a truther about anything, including 9/11. It's about invasions & their legitimacy. I merely used the 9/11 event as the precursor for the topic of invasion legitimacy.
As usual you are way off base, because like the rest of the Zelenskyy/Ukraine cheerleaders, you must constantly grasp at straws to support your weak positions for supporting Zelenskyy & Ukraine & your buying of the propaganda that surrounds the entire narrative from beginning to end.
Rhis is all I am going to answer given I have only had 2 hours sleep since a nap last evening. Going back to sleep after this response. Might have written more earlier, but my Chromebook jumps all over the place and is really annoying to try to write while lying down. Desk top use requires sitting up which is hard on legs.
At any rate, a few more thoughts. I think Tora Bora maps were destroyed or deeply hidden either by former director of CIA or son/VP. I did not want to spend time on the 2003 attack on Iraq (Chromebook frustration) but I think the Shrub said, “Because he tried to kill my daddy.” As for Cheney, think Halliburton contracts. At the time I thought it was crazy not to focus on finishing the job in Afghanistan. Now, I know better. Think MIC.
Concrning benevolent Putin. That is reserved for “true Russians”, take a good look at the map of number of deaths in combat for each region of Russia, which was recently posted in a comment (will send you the link if I run across it, I don’t plan a search). All others suitable fodder for meat waves. Putin may not be as big an evil as Stalin, but he certainly has Peter the Great ambitions. Think Crassus whose ambition and love of gold resulted in his death at the hands of Parthians. Explains why Cassius had that “lean and hungry look”, which also explains why we should try to avoid middle east wars as much as feasible. It also suggests Putin should try to avoid having molten gold poured down his greedy throat. Him with his 200 $billion in wealth. Enough, back to sleeping.
Nice try, kid.
By your logic, you can’t even prove that YOU exist (well, not as a human being, anyway).
Perhaps you are just a figment of the FR collective imagination.
Get a nice restful sleep. 🙂
Because that is the only proof that will suffice.
As it sits right now, I may be a product of AI for all you know, and I fully understand that is not substantiating proof at all.
Even face to face there is no assurance that you would accept what is provided. Because the doctors I provide may not be doctors at all, and the equipment present may be useless gadgets meant to impress someone who wouldn't know any difference. I would be far better served allowing you to choose the doctors & equipment, and if they rule I am not a human than I am faced with proving your doctors are not doctors & the equipment is worthless junk.
So, in essence you are once again proving my point, that there are always ways of deceiving, if deceit is the goal, and you might dispel the truth with just as much likelihood as dispelling a lie.
Sadly enough you fail to recognize the same thing, mainly because I am saying that you have no real proof. What you are actually providing is what you have accepted as proof that has been presented as proof.
In probably more than 99.9 per cent of the things we believe, is because we were told those things, not because we had empirical evidence that we developed ourselves by our own research.
Because admitting this means that you have to question everything you know to be totally honest, even with yourself.
Trust me, there are many things that both of us hold as truths, that in realty may not be at all.
Philip L. Dick explored many of these concepts in his fiction books, including if humans really exist or are they figments of imagination of other higher beings in some sort of game. To us we seem real as our lives seem to span years, and we change as the years pass, both mentally & physically. How can we not be real. How can we just be just a perception created by someone else?
Heck, I mean even gender is questioned. You & I think it is mental illness. Are we correct? I think we are, but are we really? You see, as long as there are people who realize that doubt or belief can be sown, then deception becomes a real issue.
Not everything I present is something I personally believe, it is what else exists out there that other people believe. Yet you seize upon my mentioning these diverging beliefs as being mine to make your case, which is why you fail so often, and you do so time after time. You never learn to ask questions. That is also why you are so easily deceived by evil.
We are on opposing sides when it come to the issue of the Ukraine/Russia conflict, and we both see the other as useful idiots.
Which is why we both debate each other based upon points.
For example, you guys avoid answering how you square that Biden cares about Ukraine's borders & her sovereignty, while he allows a much larger invasion of the country he is responsible for. Do you also believe him when he says he needs legislation to give him the power to stop the invasion? Do you believe him when he says that the Republicans are responsible for the invasion? Explain that cognitive dissonance to me & perhaps then I might become a convert. I doubt it but hey I am willing to hear you out.
I am really wasting my time, and I know that is the case, because none of the Zelenskyy/Ukraine cheerleader squad has ever responded. You don't even try because it provides such a level of discomfort for which you have no rational response that even comes close to be adequate.
Nice try old fart. You have no logic, and you refuse to admit that fact.
Prove me wrong by square that circle I keep presenting & change my mind. I really do have a much more open mind than you have ever had or will have.
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