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Pope says Ukraine is defeated, must negotiate.
Citizen Watch Report ^

Posted on 03/10/2024 7:43:49 AM PDT by davikkm

In a surprising turn of events, Pope Francis has urged Ukrainian President Zelensky to display the “courage of the white flag” and engage in direct negotiations with Russian President Putin to end the devastating war that has persisted for two years. This call for dialogue comes amid conflicting viewpoints on how to achieve a resolution to the conflict.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: pope; ukraine
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To: freeandfreezing

>Can you explain why what you posted appears almost exactly on many different comment threads in different publications?

Is that the talking point of the day from the Russian MOD?<

If you put your little Thinking Cap on for a few days, I’m sure you’ll figure it out.


61 posted on 03/10/2024 9:03:00 AM PDT by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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To: Vermont Lt

FR Post of the Day!


62 posted on 03/10/2024 9:03:26 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: LittleBillyInfidel
Putin has discovered a way to manipulate Biden into draining our treasury.

This is an interesting point.

When Gorbachev returned to Moscow from Reykavik in 1986, he told the Politburo that he knew exactly how Reagan was going to try to bring down the USSR; it would be by forcing the Soviets to spend money until the Soviet Union collapsed.

I have thought for some time that as we brought down Communism in Russia, Putin would (ironically) return us the favor, but I didn't think our spending would be the means by which he did it.

63 posted on 03/10/2024 9:03:45 AM PDT by Captain Walker ("It is infinitely better to have a few good Men, than many indifferent ones." - George Washington)
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To: davikkm

Gossip from Moscow:

Patriarch Kirill thanked the Pope for his honesty.

The latest statements of Pope Francis have caused a lot of noise. Let us remind you that he said that you need to have courage and raise the white flag in order to save people’s lives. In Ukraine and some European countries, the Pope’s words were taken as a call for Kyiv’s capitulation. Francis himself was practically branded for his allegedly pro-Russian position.

On Saturday evening, Patriarch Kirill sent a letter to the Vatican in which he thanked the Pope for his honesty.

“As church leaders, we cannot support the war and are forced to look for different ways to stop it. I am grateful to you for your honesty and sincerely believe in the purity of your intentions,” the head of the Russian Orthodox Church wrote.

Sources close to Patriarch Kirill, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told us that the day before the head of the Russian Orthodox Church even raised a glass of wine to the words of the Pope.

“Kirill has lost influence in Ukraine, but is trying to prove his importance to the Kremlin in other ways. Relations between him and the president are far from ideal, but not exactly bad. The Patriarch was repeatedly sent signals that he could be sent to retirement if the influence of the Russian Orthodox Church is not there grow, but will continue to decline,” said an interlocutor close to the head of the Russian Church.

https://t.me/kremlin_secrets/3739

The Vatican, through its spokesman Matteo Bruni, has begun to explain what the Pope actually meant and that it should not be interpreted as giving up but instead negotiating for peace. This is not enough, so within 24 hours there will probably be a statement directly from the Pope. (It’s not easy being Pope or Patriarch.)


64 posted on 03/10/2024 9:06:20 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

[[The Vatican, through its spokesman Matteo Bruni, has begun to explain what the Pope actually meant]]

Explaining is losing-


65 posted on 03/10/2024 9:08:16 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: davikkm

Spoken as the “F”ING COMMIE HE IS!


66 posted on 03/10/2024 9:10:04 AM PDT by WellyP (question!)
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To: EEGator

Well, your argument certainly was.


67 posted on 03/10/2024 9:12:26 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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To: Vermont Lt

You were wrong and you won’t admit it.

I(and others here) have stated that I am on neither side.
To say I am mostly isolationist would be correct.
To call me a “Putinista” is childish and not correct.

Along with binary thinking are false dichotomies.
You were engaging in projection.


68 posted on 03/10/2024 9:20:03 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: davikkm

Is it the Pope’s place to tell countries when to surrender? Is that a part of his job?


69 posted on 03/10/2024 9:24:55 AM PDT by EinNYC
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To: EEGator; Vermont Lt
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70 posted on 03/10/2024 9:25:18 AM PDT by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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To: davikkm

What Pope. The Catholic church is currently without a valid Pope. This pos imposter that calls himself pope is squatting in the seat.


71 posted on 03/10/2024 9:33:43 AM PDT by GrumpyOldGuy
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To: davikkm

It looks like, from the posts on this thread, that you unintentionally started a bar room brawl.


72 posted on 03/10/2024 9:43:36 AM PDT by packagingguy
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To: davikkm
Pope says Ukraine is defeated, must negotiate.

And getting 1 out of 500 right ain't bad. LOL!

73 posted on 03/10/2024 9:44:28 AM PDT by JesusIsLord ( )
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To: bimboeruption

I don’t hate Russia. I hate Russian leaders as I do American and Ukrainian’s ones too. All of them are corrupt scumbags willing to sacrifice young men’s lives to enrich their pockets and the military industrial complex.

And don’t think we’re better because we have fair elections, we don’t. Millions of fraudulent votes were cast in 2020. This turned the country over to lunatics and the establishment.

The three letter agencies are trying to spy, destroy, and jail their political opposition. Our political class is allowing an invasion of millions and trying to bankrupt our country. Sure Russia is scum, but so are we, it is just a matter of degrees. Our political establish is willing to destroy this country to enrich itself and maintain power.


74 posted on 03/10/2024 9:47:12 AM PDT by BushCountry (A properly cast vote (1 day voting) can save you $2.00 a gallon.)
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To: JonPreston; Lurker
the communists are in Washington DC. It’s time for you to wake up.

They are here as well...and it seems you would be one of them. There's hardly a communist / dictator / terrorist supporting political figure you seem to not support...you were even celebrating the election of George Galloway the other day, were you not?

75 posted on 03/10/2024 10:12:11 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: BushCountry

>I don’t hate Russia. I hate Russian leaders as I do American and Ukrainian’s ones too. All of them are corrupt scumbags willing to sacrifice young men’s lives to enrich their pockets and the military industrial complex.<

I don’t hate the 0.01% of leaders who aren’t evil and who try to help the citizens of their country. The remainder should be Ceausescued.

I agree with the rest of your statement.


76 posted on 03/10/2024 10:12:54 AM PDT by bimboeruption (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023)
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To: JonPreston
These two or Putin, who has caused more damage to Americans?

Josef Stalin, Pol Pot, and a host of other foreign dictators throughout history didn't have a great deal of impact on internal American domestic policy either. That doesn't make them good men.

But it's understandable how you keep making these kinds of false arguments to trail off into a rabbit hole vs. actually responding to the points being posed to you - because you can't...and you know it. This is the same nonsense you do thread after thread when reality stares you in the face - wave shiny objects to get off onto another subject and hope the distraction works.

77 posted on 03/10/2024 10:19:54 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Lurker

“Of course the communist fraud of a pope is rooting for the communists.”

I believe he’s siding AGAINST the Biden Administration.


78 posted on 03/10/2024 10:51:23 AM PDT by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: MeganC

“Alexei Navalny was not available for comment.”

Neither was Gonzalo Lira, or Jeffrey Epstein.


79 posted on 03/10/2024 10:53:08 AM PDT by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: EEGator

“What did Lira report on the issue?”

I don’t believe he was ‘available for comment’, but in any case, he got the last word in, as Nuland is back to baking cookies, but this time for her family (if they even still talk to her).


80 posted on 03/10/2024 10:55:16 AM PDT by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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