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Harry Knowles Screens ROTK and The Passion at BNTA5- Mel Gibson & Peter Jackson attend
Harry Knowles' Ain't It Cool News ^ | 7Dec2003 | Harry Knowles

Posted on 12/08/2003 1:41:04 AM PST by weegee

Things HARRY Learned from BNAT 5!

Hey folks, Harry here... Figured I'd join in on this format of Nordling's just a bit...

1. RETURN OF THE KING is the finishing flourish on what is definitively the greatest single narrative trilogy in the history of cinema. This film gives a new meaning to scope in film. A new meaning to the term epic. Peter Jackson has honestly created a final film that absolutely just owned me for every second it played. And in the way of the world, I'm just a very small hobbit in my own little shire of Austin... and I'm thankful for that, every day.

2. HAUNTED GOLD - I learned that my instincts on this film and this story were so exactingly perfect with the BNAT audience that there were moments of John Wayne's girlish fop punches that I thought I was going to go into convulsions from listening to the audiences actual shock at how bad a fighter John Wayne started out as. Hehehehe... FANTASTIC. By the way DUKE (John Wayne's Horse) rules the Earth and could kick Shadowfax's ass I bet!

3. THE RETURN OF CAPTAIN MARVEL - I learned that intentially using one film as a lost leader for one of the greatest films of all time should not only be done, it commands to be done. I also learned that I must find a full print of this original serial as many people wanted to see the whole serial. hehehehe... God I love BNAT-ers.

4. Buster Keaton's THE GENERAL - After screening RETURN OF THE KING - I had two major programming issues. What on earth can play after RETURN OF THE KING and not disappoint? Secondly, What could I screen for Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh and THE QUEEN OF THE GEEKS? (no other name is ever required from this point on btw and all future prints of her films will carry this title for Her name.) The idea was to reboot the audience... Take them as far cinematically speaking as humanly possible from RETURN OF THE KING. Give them a totally different perfect film experience, and THE GENERAL affords that. Guy Forsthe and his band's live music score performed live was once again genius. Over 2/3rds of the audience had never seen the film. Now they have learned how to salute an entire approaching ranks while making out with your babe! IMPORTANT LESSON!

5. King Kong drives a Volkswagon Automatic while in New York.

6. ANCHORMAN is going to be absolutely #@%&ing hysterical. When you behold Will Ferrell's erection, you'll send off for 10 penis patches to put on your ~%*# all at once. My god, he'd make Jenna Jameson feel like a Virgin!

7. THE BODYGUARD - Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba! Viva! Chiba!

8. Chan Wook Park's OLDBOY is absolutely genius. The film is one of the most thrillingly disturbing and arresting works of cinema I have ever seen and is the very best film that David Fincher has never made. The reason for that is the soul of the conflicts within the very society that makes up SOUTH KOREA and the Korean experience in general. The film is an absolute picture of how REVENGE is never a straight road. Better than any contemporary set film made anywhere in the world today.

9. SKY CAPTAIN AND THE WORLD OF TOMORROW trailer is one of the most perfect, beautiful, holy *!%$ cool as %#@* wanna see wanna see my god, let's watch that again and again and again and again things I've ever seen. Paul Dini took me aside after it played and weeped about how desperately he wanted to see that film... right now.

10. NID DE GUEPES is gorgeous on the big screen. I've seen the film perhaps 60 times on DVD - finally seeing it on the big screen with a BNAT audience proved once again, why the Drafthouse and in particular this audience is the greatest ever.

11. BLIND - that Asian actor was hot!

12. GINGER SNAPS 2 - mass female masturbation scenes are very important for the sanity of all. Does this happen? Is there somewhere where 40 young girls are lined up and asked to freely masturbate and explore the power of their own hands? Also Blondes are bad news.

13. HAUTE TENSION -- Sometimes 20 blows to a killer's head with a fence post wrapped with barbed wire... sometimes you have to go a little farther than that.

14. Watching the SKY CAPTAIN AND THE WORLD OF TOMORROW trailer again was absolutely necessary!

15. TEENAGE MOTHER - is literally the single greatest late night unsuspecting grindhouse ambush film in the history of mankind. This movie hand the audience clapping along, snapping their fingers... digging the funky cool threads, the single most amazing spasmotic dork monkey ever to be named DUKE in film history... and then had the nerve to feature a 5 minute dance number in which he figures heavily. I was laughing non-stop. The Hot Rods were awesome. Also, this film taught me that I have never been more happy and secure in my own sexual identity as a man... and will never again ponder the dreamy notion of being a pregnant woman.

16. ROTTEN FRUIT - Utterly depraved and brilliant. Perfect Breakfast Entertainment!

17. UNDEAD - The Australian Spierig Brothers' film plays fantastic late late in a run. Specifically - anything that involves MARION delights the audiences endlessly. Also when the hot babe strips to her bra & panties for a logical plot reason... well... that's just great!

18. THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST -- Never listen to a National Media coverage of alleged screenings. This film played to an audience 230 exhausted cinema loving movie worshipers from all around the world, every political and religious group... and the film received a 5 minute standing ovation and a 90 minute Q&A that included numerous questions grasping to understand what the "critics" of this film are talking about.

19. Mel Gibson -- It was stunning to do a 90 minute Q&A with Mel Gibson at the 28 hours of continual conciousness... and it seemed to go incredibly well. When he first came out he was seemingly quite nervous and visibly uncomfortable. I could see that he really had no idea what to expect from this audience in terms of "confrontations" and "feelings". Beginning with the tearful blessings and thank yous from one Houston Lady, to the applause for the sheer bravery to make non-traditional works of passion instead of just chipping away at another sequel. Well... It was gratifying. When one of Mel's associates was answering questions, watching Mel on his hands and knees autographing a couple of front row-ers' programs was... maybe the single best image I have from BNAT this year... actually... let me take that back...

Watching the look on the 11 year old girl's face who attended as she was seeing Peter Jackson and Mel Gibson in person. Watching Fran Walsh and "The Queen of the Geeks" interacting with everyone. The fear that we had killed Peter Jackson when suddenly he fell to the ground by a disguised platform of steps. I'll never forget the weight of that smoke grenade. I'll never forget hearing that SECURITY forgot their metal detecting wands. Watching an audience discover the genius of Chan Wook Park for the first time. Seeing the sheer joy on people's faces as each and every surprise hit them. Watching Eli Roth asking Mel Gibson how CABIN FEVER played business wise in Australia this past weekend, only to have Mel Gibson say, "Cabin Fever, what's that?" And the entire audience going into hysterics!

The moment where I was trying to start talking after RETURN OF THE KING and for some inexplicably emotional moment, I came very near the point of losing the ability to speak all together.

Watching 40 geeks trying their hardest to beat the living sh!t out of a life size papermache Harry Pinata... as the Harry Pinata took on all comers!!!

Watching TEENAGE MOTHER and sharing the experience with Tim League as we watched our cinematic terrorism come to pass, executed beyond our wildest dreams! (***me here, for those who don't know this movie continued the old roadshow shock of including footage of actual childbirth****)

Watching Father Geek give out TONS OF SideShow Toys! Watching BNATERS going around getting their yearbooks signed. Watching everyone talking with others based upon finding commonalities from the yearbook. And ultimately having the coolest BNAT T-shirts ever....


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Religion; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: aintitcoolnews; bnat; filmfestival; harryknowles; lordoftherings; melgibson; movies; peterjackson; returnoftheking; tolkien
Harry has been intrigued to see The Passion and it sounds like he and his audience were very enthusiastic. Harry was on the set for the shooting of the Lord Of The Rings and saw behind the scenes production work like he never had on any other projects (he also insulted the Miramax boys online and got them to keep the film in production even though the film eventually went elsewhere, how they kept their jobs I'll never know).

I was not "cool" enough to attend this year, I guess. I did not pass the original audience screening (even though I've know Harry since before he was famous). I could have rolled a crap shoot and driven to Austin to "try" to get one of 7 open seats (by random interview) but it was too much gas and too little guarantee. I've been before and it sounds better than last year's (where at least 2 total dog pictures played). I figured that Peter would have to go to one of the screenings.

I wonder if LA will get a public weeklong screening of the Passion so that Mel can still be elligible for the Oscar (he sure has been screening it a lot this year).

1 posted on 12/08/2003 1:41:05 AM PST by weegee
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To: weegee
Here's another BNAT5 article about the Passion:

http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=16625

Nordling is the 1st in to express his views on Mel Gibson's THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST from BNAT 5!!!

Hey folks, Harry here... been awake now for 40 hours... I'm charged... BNAT this year was the single most extraordinary film experience of my life. Watching the programming just work film after film for me... was just bliss and with my top 3 favorite films I've seen thus far in 2003 being RETURN OF THE KING, OLDBOY and THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST... I'm just charged the the raw cinema injected into me throughout this festival. THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST was astonishing in its very rough form. Score is about 30% in place with tons of temp, visual effects almost non-existent here... and of course digital instead of the lushness of Caleb's visuals when we see them in 35mm next year. Nordling is the first to chime in... there will be others... enjoy...
Nordling here.

First off, let me get this out of the way, I'll be sending my "Things I've Learned at BNAT 2003" in later on, and I want to thank Harry, Drew, Father Geek, Quint, and the rest of the gang for simply the best time at BNAT this year. Special thanks also go to Eli Roth, Peter Jackson, Philippa Boyens, Fran Walsh, and last but certainly not least, Mel Gibson.

Quick RETURN OF THE KING review... it's amazing, duh! Like you would expect anything else from me.

This will probably be the most controversial review I'll ever write for the site, if Harry sees fit to post it. Mel Gibson's THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST is a monumental statement of faith and it's possibly the most important religious film ever made. And unfortunately it's going to be completely misunderstood by people and groups with agendas. The fact is, this is a powerful film and this needs to be seen by the widest audience possible. This is an Important Film. Possible the first real Important Film of the 21st Century.

Don't get me wrong. I love THE LORD OF THE RINGS films. Of course I do. But with THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST Mel Gibson has created Art. It has all the beauty of the works of the Middle Ages depicting the death of Jesus Christ. Inspired by the paitings of Caraveggio, various written works as well as the Gospels, Gibson has created an unparalleled work of art that will stand the test of time as one of the greatest religious films ever made.

I think a lot of the hatred coming towards THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST comes from those who primarily have not seen it. I have. Read closely. It is not anti-semitic. Not in the least bit. I understand the concern. To me, the Sanhedrin in the film felt more like a political organization than a religious one. In the film, it's obvious that Jesus threatens them politically, with their standing with the Romans and with their own people. They are frightened of Jesus, and must send him away from them.

My wife is Jewish, and she didn't feel like it was offensive at all. Our friend at BNAT, Roger Kaufman, also is Jewish, and he admired the skill and emotion of the film. They viewed the film in the context that it deserves - as a film, a work of art, not an abstract ideal. And in the film, Jesus is put to death because it has to be. It is a destiny He wishes to avoid if He is allowed, but He never shirks from the task.

But he suffers. Oh does He suffer. Jim Caviezel deserves so much credit for keeping Jesus human under so much torment. There were moments when I wanted it to stop, and Mel Gibson kept going, teling us, "You have to know. Even if you don't believe, you have to know."

And that's what's so great about this film. I really wish that Gibson had shown this film to fans first, instead of religious leaders. Because they don't understand. They can't know the emotion, the skill, the talent and the art that really goes behind making a film like this. There's one scene in the film, as Jesus falls, and his mother Mary (the phenomenal Maia Morganstern, giving a performance of little dialogue and great power) remembers a day when Jesus as a young child fell, and she was there to pick him up, but not this time. This time, she can only watch her son suffer in agonizing pain. It's powerful, so human, and devastating to watch.

Oh... just so you know... the MPAA will come down on this film like a stoning. The fact is that they can't cut anything. You would rob it of its power. If there's anything I urge so much, it's this: the MPAA needs to just rate it R, and please, stay away from the editing room. I hope that this happens, but the film is so controversial now that it may not be possible. In which case, I urge Mel to stay true to his remarkable vision.

After the film, Mel Gibson did a Q & A with the audience about the film, and let us know about some CGI shots and changes he wants to put into the film. There's one change I agree with - makign Jesus's eyes brown instead of blue. But the other changes he suggested... okay. They really aren't necessary. Sure, clean up the print, clean up some of the obvious CGI that you will need... but you literally have a perfect film here. Those additional scenes you talked about really aren't required. I would love to see them though, because if you can improve on this film, I'm all for it.

I realize I'm ranting here. I'm pretty tired - still haven't slept yet, can't, just can't - and really blown away by the power of this film. THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST has possibly my favorite closing shot ever. It's a simple shot, and so well done, and it makes the film transcendent. As Mel Gibson himself said, "The film speaks for itself. It is what it is." Many groups of people are bringing something to this film that maybe, they probably shouldn't. This film played to Jews, Christians, agnostics, atheists, and all sorts of people with all sorts of religious backgrounds, and they knew to understand and approach this film on the contextual level it deserves. I think you need to approach THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST as a story, a film, and it shouldn't be second-guessed with religious or political agendas. It stands as a work of art. It's almost certain to be the best film of 2004. It is the first Great Film of the 21st Century.

Nordling, out.
2 posted on 12/08/2003 1:47:43 AM PST by weegee (No blood for ratings! This means YOU AOL-Time-Warner-Turner-CNN)
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To: mhking
Harry Knowles PING (I believe that I've seen you use Harry's "MAN IN SUIT! MAN IN SUIT! MAN IN SUIT!..." in some FR posts).
3 posted on 12/08/2003 11:19:12 AM PST by weegee (No blood for ratings! This means YOU AOL-Time-Warner-Turner-CNN)
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
Harry is an unabashed leftist, but to hear that he has given a rational and open-minded look at "The Passion of Christ" gives me hope.

When I saw the trailer, I felt (and told many people) that this film literally could be one of the most important films of all time.

Many of the "kids" that inhabit theaters these days won't understand it. But the rest of us should go, no strike that, the rest of us NEED to go. We need to see the sheer power of the message that we have all heard from childhood. We all need to see what our Lord has done for us out of unabashed and total love.

Yes, I know it costs $10 or more to get into a theater these days, but from everything I've seen, and everything I know of this film, it will be the best $10 you have spent in a theater probably in your entire lifetime.

Just damn.

If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

4 posted on 12/08/2003 11:57:03 AM PST by mhking
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To: weegee; kstewskis; Northern Yankee
THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST -- Never listen to a National Media coverage of alleged screenings. This film played to an audience 230 exhausted cinema loving movie worshipers from all around the world, every political and religious group... and the film received a 5 minute standing ovation

But he suffers. Oh does He suffer. Jim Caviezel deserves so much credit for keeping Jesus human under so much torment. There were moments when I wanted it to stop, and Mel Gibson kept going, telling us, "You have to know. Even if you don't believe, you have to know."

We'll be seeing many more reviews like these when the film finally makes it to its intended audience rather than to those with ideological axes to grind. Thanks for posting this.

5 posted on 12/08/2003 12:28:36 PM PST by lonevoice (Legal disclaimer: The above is MY OPINION)
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To: weegee; kstewskis; Northern Yankee
As an aside, I'm sorry to see that this thread got moved to the chat forum. As far as I recall, this is the first preview/review of The Passion from regular filmgoers as opposed to those who were asked to screen it for an evaluation of its PC quotient.
6 posted on 12/08/2003 12:32:12 PM PST by lonevoice (Legal disclaimer: The above is MY OPINION)
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To: weegee

7 posted on 12/08/2003 12:35:28 PM PST by mhking
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To: lonevoice
Actually I was the one who posted it to TV/Movies which is a sidebar in "chat"/General Interest. It's not 'news' per se but I thought that it was something to report. While my focus was on Mel Gibson's appearance and screening, it was not exclusive.

You can always PING others to this thread or post the link in articles you find in News (with as much stuff gets posted there, it could have scrolled off the sidebar before many people got a chance to read it anyway).

I've also noticed that when a thread is moved from News to General, the keywords disappear and usually there is no "topic" selected by the admin so it would immediately get lost (the sidebars and searches are the only ways to really "discover" threads on the General portion of FR because of all of the traffic posts to "daily discussion" generate). Since I posted it, I was able to select the Religion and Movies topic sidebars for this thread.

8 posted on 12/08/2003 12:48:23 PM PST by weegee (No blood for ratings! This means YOU AOL-Time-Warner-Turner-CNN)
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To: weegee
Thanks for posting.. cant wait to see them both!~
9 posted on 12/08/2003 2:21:42 PM PST by DollyCali (Spell Button: to cast a spell on recipient of post)
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To: weegee
All of the reviews there are glowing.

I don't want to rip on Harry and the guys over at AICN; they're generally a bunch of lovable film geeks. But I will say thay are (by their own admission) mainly libertine agnostics or atheists. So that is a very tough crowd to play.

If Gibson has impressed them, he must really have something.

10 posted on 12/08/2003 2:33:11 PM PST by The Iguana
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To: joobers
Ping

Thought you'd be interested.

11 posted on 12/08/2003 3:23:09 PM PST by TotusTuus
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To: kstewskis
The Passion ping
12 posted on 12/08/2003 5:35:59 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: weegee
Weegee, I envy you soooo much right now. When I have time, I'll post my some of my comments; right now, it's finals time, so this is just a placemarker :)
13 posted on 12/08/2003 8:08:52 PM PST by RightWingAtheist
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To: weegee
Damn, for some reason I thought you had written the main article, W.G. Well, like I said-it's finals time, and my brain is frazzled.
14 posted on 12/08/2003 8:45:26 PM PST by RightWingAtheist
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To: lonevoice; kstewskis; ILBBACH; Victoria Delsoul; GirlShortstop; dakine
Thanks Marsha for the posting.

The more I read and see of this film, the more fascinating it becomes.

Would love to be able have Mel come and ask our audience questions after we see the movie... What an opportunity to get some behinds the scenes thoughts.

I truly think this production of Mel's will be a landmark film. I also think it will take this Country by surprise. If it does as well as I think it's going to, it will be curious to see how the Academy Award's industry treats it. (Although I have my suspicions...)

Just saw the Newsmax interview with Mel. I am amazed to hear of all the happenings that took place during the making of this film. A girl getting cured of epilepsy, and a technician being struck twice by lightning and seems to be suffering no ill effects. Wow!

15 posted on 12/09/2003 4:05:34 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom.... needs a soldier !)
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...it will be curious to see how the Academy Award's industry treats it. (Although I have my suspicions...)

I wonder if it will be ruled inelligible for an Oscar. Mel has been screening it around the country (albeit in a rough cut workprint form).

This was shown to a paying audience (call it a charity screening if you wish, I don't know if it was a "non-profit").

The Academy doesn't permit the film to be altered after it's week long LA public screening "qualifying run". If Mel wants this film to be elligible for an Oscar in 2004 he'll need to lock the print and screen it in LA for a week in 2003 (the weeks are dwindling).

If he hopes to release it in 2004 for a 2005 Oscar, he may have blown his chance.

Some are saying that it will get an R rating but Mr. Gibson could always opt to release it unrated (does this film really need the MPAA?).

After all Kill Bill Vol. 1 got an R rating (with the only alteration being the screening of the final bloodbath battle in black and white rather than color as it was shown in Japan).

16 posted on 12/09/2003 11:16:45 AM PST by weegee (No blood for ratings! This means YOU AOL-Time-Warner-Turner-CNN)
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To: weegee
Well, you know, Mel's movie Braveheart was a May release, and it wasn't THAT big of a hit in the U.S., and it ended up winning Best Picture.
17 posted on 12/09/2003 11:26:08 AM PST by baseballfanjm
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To: baseballfanjm
Yes but Mel didn't run around screening Braveheart for hundreds (thousands now?) of people the year before he released the film to the public.

That LA qualifying run is a key requirement for getting an Oscar nomination. There are plenty of films that play NY and LA in late December a month or more in advance of the release to the rest of the nation.

18 posted on 12/09/2003 11:44:40 AM PST by weegee (No blood for ratings! This means YOU AOL-Time-Warner-Turner-CNN)
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To: weegee
I see your point and you are probably right.

I don't think he cares a thing for Oscars for this film though, but if he's screening for thousands of people, yeah, why not screen in LA?
19 posted on 12/09/2003 2:30:33 PM PST by baseballfanjm
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