TP: THREAT POTENTIALS [UNCONVENTIONAL, IMPROBABLE OR NOT]

GC: America is falling from within:

QX: No big argument there.

GC: With the looming elections of another terrorist President in the wings, America is positioning itself for another 4 years of corruption. America’s greatest assets are its uninformed citizens that think that clouds are still made of cotton candy and Mickey Mouse is real!
The more in the dark you are the more you can be manipulated into submission.

QX: IF you are asserting that George W Bush is worse than KOMMIE KERRY, I guess I still differ rather intensely on that score. I see KOMMIE KERRY BRINGING ON THE GLOBALIST GOVERNMENT MUCH SOONER. Do you really disagree? Who's side are you on? Are you FOR the globalist government as many TMMer's believe you are?

GC: Europe is run by the same “Bad Boys” and will suffer the same fate if they do not distance themselves from America! I am sure that someone somewhere is plotting the next suicide bomb to kill those innocent people who just wish to have natural fun and live a life with dignity and respect and not have their heads cut off on national TV for all to see and gasp in horror!

QX: I don't know which country contains the greatest number of most destructive puppet masters. It would seem at times, that we do. But we have no monopoly on them. Europe seems destined per Biblical prophecy to eclipse the USA at some point in this end times game. Probably quite sadly.

GC: America is behind most of the terror in many countries and now they will sow what they reap!

QX: That's a pretty wholesale broadside. I can believe that the puppet masters are. I'm very skeptical that "America" is wholesale. I suspect there are more patriots playing more hidden roles than you or anyone but God could guess at.

GC: China is learning fast not to trust the west, but be original in your tactics!

QX: I tend to be rather original. But, Chinese don't trust people from the next door neighborhood--much less the West!

GC: Saudi Arabia all along cannot stand Americans and will not rest until America falls!

QX: No doubt about that.

GC: They are double dipping in the pot by selling oil, employing Americans and others, and using the profits from oil sells to finance terrorist groups worldwide. They even kill their own to make a point.

QX: No argument there.

GC: But the Middle East needs water more than oil and just maybe someone will turn their water off!

QX: Energy can = water as they've demonstrated. Would have to turn off the energy to turn off the water. Though the Israelis and Turks could have some say about some of the river waters.

GC: America has murdered and destroyed nations of people, while the UN just stood by. Politics is weak and has no strength; all run by fat little men that need Viagra to stay up with the pack!

QX: Our history with Native Americans and others has not been lily white by a long shot. Still, we're tons better than the 2nd best in a list of ways.

GC: The Americans are weak, Aids infested people that believe that excess is a normal way of life.

QX: Too much truth to that!

GC: They will suck the blood from a vampire to get what they want!

QX: Many arrogant leaders would certainly try!

GC: And yes they are getting just revenge against America for their crimes against humanity all in the name of their God! God has forsaken America and has turned his favor away so that means that its like a lamb all alone on the plains with no shepherd to lead the flock and hungry lions waiting for the cover of darkness to fall!

QX: Growing truth to that. But not all the righteous have quit praying and not all have quit living as righteously by God's Grace, as much as they can. And, I think our ratio is still better than that related to Abraham about 10 righteous left in Soddom and G.

To: Darlin'
FOLLOWING--PERHAPS MORE THAN YOU EVER WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE QUIX. PLEASE AVOID IF NOT CONSTRUCTIVELY INTERESTED, PLEASE.

I DO NOT EXPECT AT ALL TO RESPOND IN THE THREAD TO ANY RESPONSES. I MAY NOT RESPOND IN PRIVATE MESSAGES. I HOPE THIS CAN HELP BRING SOME TERMINAL CLOSURE TO SUCH EXCHANGES.

Darlin':

"Yes, of course, you were."

I hope to make one post (this one) today and leave it be--ENOUGH TOSSING WORDS AT ONE ANOTHER ON SUCH AN ISSUE!

Re: the above satire "of course, you were.": Actually, I was. There are probably 6 churches I've visited in the last 2 years here. One my grandfather started. Another my parents helped get and keep going two different times with a precious pastor who'd been a missionary to the Navajos. When I posted that comment, I had been reflecting on how dramatically they'd changed.

The leadership had become arrogant, blind, self-righteous, narrow, closed to input etc. Music in a couple of cases was measured routinely at 95-104 db and in one case it was clearly up over 125db for more than an hour. It was like a different planet in terms of what I was used to and expected. Other churches of the 6 or so were not as bad but were still markedly different from what I hoped for. I felt like a fish out of water in all of them.

Thankfully, I just recently finally found a small new church where the pastor, though young, came from a solid pastor's family where the pastor fiercely protected family time. He had a great relationship with his two sons. It clearly makes a difference when leadership hasn't grown up in a seriously dysfunctional family.

SO, YES, I WAS thinking of local groups and trying to see what common themes there were that I might reflect on and learn from in all this. You may not believe the truth but that doesn't stop it from being the truth.

You may have never met any character like me. But that doesn't stop me from being me.

RE: cliques etc. [more or less as FREEPMAILED to Jim R]:

BTW,

I didn't originate the clique insight. Someone else did to me some time ago and I reluctantly agreed it was true [incidentally, multiple people have affirmed their agreement with that insight by PM the last 24 hours]. I declined to inquire who was involved and STILL DO NOT wish to know nor even surmise myself. And I have not. I have not even allowed myself to ponder it at all in terms of size or identities.

I don't recall what triggered me mentioning the clique issue. Some assault, as I recall.

As I noted above, I have not allowed myself to even go there AT ALL. Whoever it was, (I don't remember who but someone who's opinion and experience hereon I respected highly), may have an idea but I don't and I didn't ask them. I refuse to even allow myself to come up with a name list. I certainly wouldn't share it with anyone but maybe Piper etc. if I did and even then it would be just to check out my perceptions. But I refuse to even go there myself in my private prayer closet.

I think occasionally, when snipey comments seem to take on the character of haughty elites throwing rocks at the serfs,

it's a reasonable thing to throw out without naming anyone.

Let everyone consider their own conscienceS and adjust accordingly.

Perhaps part of the loud noise about the issue is the common phenomena of something being too true for comfort so the best defense becomes an offense.

Someone else has suggested that the week and stress of the Marine etc. has gotten to all of us. Probably some truth to that.

Someone else has noted that tirades get more frequent and intense later in the evening--probably after alcohol consumption. Probably some truth to that.

But, mostly, I honestly think, it's communciation styles, personality differences, petty sensibilities and fierce convictions, feelings about same.

RE: I have 0.00% doubt in your enormous capacity to question virtually anything I say. I think you are awesomely talented in that regard. You may well even be among the best at it.

My 100% true thought process before posting that was: I wonder what I could say that would be 100% true and 100% positive praise. Then those 3 sentences came immediately to mind. I did not analyize them beyond considering whether they were true and could I own them in my heart. I felt I could so posted it immediately. It has long ceased to be a very big issue that some things I can do for others are at my own expense. In hindsight, I can see why some would consider that satire. It was not felt nor written as satire at the time. I realize people without a clue about my heart will believe what they will.

One clever poster accused me of having a mix of:

--a Narcissistic Personality Disorder (301.81 in DSM IV DRAFT VERSION) and an Antisocial Personality Disorder (301.7)

NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER CRITERIA:

A pervasive pattern of gradiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts as indicated by AT LEAST 5 of the following:

1) a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

2) preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty or ideal love.

3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

4) requires excessive admiration

5) a sense of entitlement i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable4 treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations.

6) is interpersonally exploitative i.e., takes advantage of other sto achieve his or her own ends.

7) lack of empathy: unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.

8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.

9) arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.

My self-assessment as well as comments of supervisors, colleagues, clients and others who know me best:

Mother was poor white trash in Texas pulling cotton with blacks at age 6. Never let me evidence any hint of uppityness. Besides that, I've always imagined that washing Jesus' feet would be one of the most wonderful things. And absent Jesus, about anyone who Loved Him would be almost as good to serve.

We all appreciate admiration but it's not a huge issue at this point in my life. Have lived plenty without it and had plenty of it.

Most people who know me well characterize me as the MOST EMPATHETIC person they've ever met.

1) above--Not at all. For much of my life, much more the opposite. Now, pretty satisfied with who I am and what I've become. 3,000+ students in Taiwan and China characterized me as the most loving Westerner they'd ever met and many the most loving person they'd ever met, including considering their own parents. THAT'S PRETTY HUMBLING!

2) No. Lived around plenty of that hollow stuff beginning with our millionaire neighbor and his very miserable family life.

3) special--yeah--everyone is--and certainly I've been called a bird of rare plumage (to put 'strange' politely) all my life. No big deal at this point. Is awkward at times to fit in various groups.

4) No! Have an easy time of serving even enemies often enough.

5) No! Have met myself in painful mirrors often enough. I know that humanness at it's raw original best and worst is only fit for the dung heap of eternity. Only Christ's Blood and Spirit enable any of us to rise above the sewer in any respect.

6) No! More the opposite. Too easily let others exploit me too often. But I'd still rather take that stance than the opposite.

7) No! Empathy is a strong point.

8) No! Gave up wanting to be anyone else or have anyone else's stuff many decades ago.

9) No. Closest people assert quite otherwise about me.

ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY DISORDER 301.7

A. Current age at least 18. Yeah. 57.

B. Evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15. No.

C. A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15, as indicated by at least 3 of the following:

1) failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are gounds for arrest.

No. 1 speeding ticked on honeymoon across Southern California desert from Phoenix. 1 parking ticket. That's all.

2) irritabiltiy and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults.

No. Tended to be chicken and ran from all but 2 fights and tried to one of those. When forced, would bend the fingers of opponent back until he gave up. All in teen years.

3) consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations.

No. Often been called too responsible.

4) Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead.

Not really. I prefer to be spontaneous. But have good planning skills and use them as needed for my priorities.

5) deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure.

Not at all. Often been called overly transparent--even alarmingly so, to some.

6) reckless disregard for safety of self or others.

No. Overly cautious about safety, usually.

7) lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.

DEFINITELY NOT AT ALL!

D. Occurence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia or a manic episode.

Not applicable.

The following is kindly offered by a wise stalwart of TM. I couldn't, in clear conscience own it verbatim as offered but as close to that as I could own, here it is:

1) don't recall where the clique reference arose, but it did not originate from me

2) apology is extended to any for any offense. It has never been a goal to offend. Sometimes, I've sought to prick a conscience for enlightenment--but really--never to offend. I consider even Shrillery to have been originally made in God's image. I strongly prefer to help people be more fulfilled, satisfied, overcoming, caring in their lives, relationships and communications. I hate rock throwing.

3) will post links as applicable to information for the thread as circumstances present themselves. I've currently changed addy's to get rid of a bunch of spam. Not sure when I'll start up a long list of newsletters again. Most of the contributions I might make of a doc sort come from those sources. Sometimes I might search the net for threat related stuff but usually, it's not my strength or priority.

Some of you may recall:

Some are great at Googling.

Some are great at analyzing.

Some are great at connecting dots.

Some are great at drawing from their military experiences and/or backgrounds.

Some are great at drawing from their cultural understandings.

Some are great at translating.

Some are great at supportive websites.

Some are great at interpreting.

Some are great at networking, connetcting, referring to proper authorities.

Some are great at praying.

Some are great at contributing from their hobbies and/or past work experiences and connections.

Some are great at pondering and asking good questions.

Some are great at connecting dots and themes and/or implications across a diversity of seemingly disconnected bodies of data and disciplines.

If a toe declares that it is king or queen or more valuable than a finger; if a hand insists that all be hands; . . .

Is that enhancing the whole?

4) sorry you feel the need to educate me regarding my posts; will attempt to shorten my posts and keep religious references to a minimum.

I don't quite know how to even imagine battering or cooperating with the efforts to batter me and my idiosyncracies into the TM POLITICALLY CORRECT form. Many times, it feels like and appears to be a terminal incompatibility. I periodically try real hard and routinely at least earnestly to conform as much as lies within me to perceived expectations.

I realize, no one and especially me is EVER going to please everyone hereon. But it seems like a real chore to avoid sending some folks into a screaming tirade merely at the sight of my name or whif of my breath 100 feet away. At some point, that has to be their problem.

However, I don't really like to even mildly annoy anyone but Shrillery et al. It grieves my spirit and wears me down more than I like to admit.

I don't know that I can persistently conform all posts to 1-3 per day of 2 well polished paragraphs only with links to 2-3 confirming sites. That's just rarely me.

When the message seems to be harshly, loudly, pointedly, haughtily: CONFORM STRICTLY AND NARROWLY to our expectations or terminally out of our faces . . . , I probably can't rise to that standard very well, very often. I've never fit anyone's tidy box. And I've almost died trying a few times. It just never works. It has never worked.

5) will keep your suggestions in mind and apply them to the best of my ability in keeping with my conscience and personhood.

5) back to work on the threat of terror facing us.

I DO NOT EXPECT TO RESPOND AT ALL TO ANY RESPONSES TO THE ABOVE, IN THIS THREAD.

I MAY NOT RESPOND EVEN IN PRIVATE MESSAGES.

Cheers. Happy and productive TMMMMING!

1,962 posted on 06/28/2004 10:38:56 AM MDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)

Please, get over yourself.

psssst, it is against FR rules, not to mention very bad form, to take issues from one thread to another

There was an earthquake this morning in Illinois.
I checked with my friends in the area.
Everything ok, but they were surprised.

And a 6.7 in Alaska where I have some other friends.

hey i dont know about whats happened in your posting past, but i admire your attempt to be honest here. i dont see anything to purposely offend anyone, however i read another's trying to "bait" you, (thats the best way to describe it for now, anyway).

i dont understand alot of the posts here so i s'pose theres some history im unaware of....no matter, i admire a whole lot of the posters here at FR for their wit, insight, and character. i seem to always learn something! FR is pretty much the major site for me on the internet....definitely in terms of time. its a news source/meetingplace/community. im honored to be a small part of it.

THANKS TONS FOR YOUR KIND WORDS.

I agree with you.

Certainly FR is a major part of my day and my extensive computing time.

I also love your Screen name. A favorite part of The Book for me.

Please feel free to communicate, exhort or whatever seems fitting.

Blessings,

youre welcome & thank you.....i'll be dropping in from time to time....i was thinking about your title re: threats.....what if one thinks the threats are probable? you know, sorta like the old joke about paranoia.... :)

if you get time later, id like to read your thoughts about some specific verses. Ezekiel 4: 5&6, and Numbers 14: 34. God bless.

FYI

Asteroid 2004 MC To pass Or maybe Hit Early tommarow

Asteroid 2004 MC within VERY close Proxemity to earth

see for yourself

Possible hit?

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/orbits/images/test345.gif

Found this on another board. What do you think?

Bible prophecy Daniel : Iraqi then IRAN???

These below scriptures talk about events occuring at the end right? For those not believing in the Bible or religion, at
least hear me out, or dont..up to you. In Daniel and in Habbabkuk specifically it mentions a war at the end.
I have covered Hab in detail in other posts, pointing out that America may well be the modern day Daughter of
Babylon , also called the Chaladeans and they embark on a war in the mid east and take a huge spoil there scoffing
at all who stand in their way. This post is for your opinon on Daniel :

Daniel 8: 3, 4, 5. "And I saw him come close unto the RAM, and HE was MOVED with CHOLER against him,
and smote the RAM, and BRAKE his two horns; and there was no power in the RAM to stand before him,
but he cast him down to the ground,and stamped upon him; and there was none that could deliver the RAM out of HIS hand

Therefore the HE-GOAT waxed very great; AND WHEN HE WAS STRONG, THE GREAT HORN WAS BROKEN; AND IN ITS PLACE FOUR PROMINENT
HORNS GREW UP TOWARD THE FOUR WINDS OF HEAVEN.

This is about Persia right?? The Goat comes from the WEST right?? We've already seen Iraqi being invaded,
but thats just ONE part of Persia, because Iraqi and Iran were Persia. So IF Daniel and Habb is about this time
right now, and Americas War in the Mid East applies, then AMERICA WILL ATTACK IRAN NEXT. IRAN is the next target.
Because the He Goat breaks 2. First Iraqi then IRAN. After which something happens to or in America that removes
it from being as powerful as it was and is now.

My ideas are:

1) Something will happen in America, before they invade another nation, some terrorist attack of some sort that will
get America in MARSHALL LAW and get the troops marching off again to Mid East.

2) America has defeated Iraqi AND will DEFEAT IRAN with no problem. They will win these wars. Now I dont know if its
just Iran and thats it or if the Chaldeans invade more Mid East countrys BUT either way ALL the wars America fights in Mid East
they WIN.

3)The last great victory of America is the final war they win in Mid East. Very soon after there victories in Mid East
America loses ALOT of its power. Something happens, they get invaded, or other nation strike against America. This may
sound INSANE but think it through, another attack on USA soil, Americans go NUT BOWLING CRAZY with anger and plan to
fight AGAIN in Mid East. The law has been passed they dont even need a reason to attack Iran by the way! But this time
the world has little sympathy for America. citing that it was the Iraqi war that caused them their new attacks. America
will flip the world the bird and do what it wants. All military operations in Mid East will be success, BUT while they
are sending their young stoned torturers offshore, Russia and their Islamic allies will attack America and remove her
from being as mighty as she is now. With the way the world is now, if America attacks another nation as it did Iraqi there will
be either a public or secret colation of states that will get together and plan to deal with America, because she will
be seen as the greatest threat.

If you read Daniel and Hab...how much closer could it be to being fullfilled than what America is doing in Mid East??
Is this NOT A MAJOR RELGIOUS CONSPIRACY?? That the bible is being PROVEN and its PROPHECIES fullfilled right before our eyes
yet WE KNOW NOT???

tHANKS MUCH.

To say it in fewer letters, I said

IMPROBABLE OR NOT

VS

IMPROBABLE OR PROBABLE.

Should be able to get to your Scriptures this afternoon. Have to sort out a debit card bunch of junk. Hopefully not hijacked! Ah well, nothing much to take!

Blessings,

THANKS.

We shall see!

Interesting, at least.

BTW, one of your addressees now accuses me of having a dependent personality disorder on top of narcissistic and antisocial. LOL.

CERTAINLY PLAUSIBLE, imho.

Something is clearly going to happen with Iran one way or the other.

And certainly Russia and China are preparing to strike at an opportune time on the US mainland.

Then there's those persistent reports that foreign troops are already here to take Christians and others troublesome to the globalists into their already prepared death camps in 'old' 'closed' military bases.

Plenty to be prayerful about.

Thankfully our security is not in horses, arms, wealth . . . The Security of The Believer is in

OUR ALMIGHTY GOD; THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. JESUS THE MESSIAH.

I am so glad somebody put this in print. I have been hearing about it on late night radio. The Chinese already control the Panama Canal (thank you fircking jimmy carter)and rumor has it they are in Mexico.
There is an old preacher that comes on late night here and has been warning people for about 2 years now.

Here we go again with the "Asteroids". I was just calming down from the 6-23 flyby. . .gulp . . .

Three weeks later, this same man, Gavin Newsome, mayor of San Francisco, was on the front page of every newspaper in America, having ignited the same sex marriage firestorm in America by instructing city clerks to issue gay marriage licenses.

Sent to Warn Our Leaders As I pondered this amazing 'coincidence', God gripped me with the conviction that He had sent me to warn this man in the spirit of Psalm 2:10, "Therefore, you kings, be wise, be warned you judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way."
~~~~~~~~~~~
Oh dear Lord Our GOD give us Your Wisdom in this time to better Your Kingdom. Amen

THANKS TONS.

MUCH AGREE!

APPRECIATE YOUR POSTS!

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! to that!

QUIX, do you remember this post

********************** To: JustPiper

1) Declaring the entire religion a "terrorist organization"

2) "Filling concentration camps"

3) "making this the most unpleasant place in the world to be mooselimb"

There were several positive replies to this post and a couple unrelated posts in the same vein.

What some call "a dream". I call a living nightmare.

Terrorism involves the indiscriminate targeting of civilians - - men, women, and children - - to achieve a particular end.

I won't post to a thread where people openly advocate terrorism, others silently approve, and the rest simply say nothing.

I thought that could only happen with a jihadi thread . . . or a mosque . . .

We should practice what we preach . . .what if we were to give the folks on this board 24 hours to denounce certain posts . . .or else . . .?

You who are without sin can go cast that first stone at your local mosque.

After this coming attack, I'm sure there will be no shortage of self-righteous volunteers. It is a great pity that they will not be able to see that they will have become what they so hate themselves.

They will have become jihadis themselves.

News flash - - Mr. Mohammed and Mr. Malvo were black, Mr. Padilla was hispanic, and there are plenty of "lily white" terrorists as well (Gadahn for instance).

When you start to fill your "concentration camps", won't they start to look like America?

Won't it be America that you have imprisoned?

And when the "concentration camps" fill, and the attacks increase because of the monstrous injustice you have inflicted on the innocent, will you have to resort to some type of "final solution". After all, there can be no coexistence?

Can there?

After all, the "entire religion" is a "terrorist organization". And terrorists must be found out and destroyed.

Don't they?

At the end of time, we will be held accountable for every word we have spoken (and written). I will have much for which I will have to answer, but I will not allow myself to be held accountable for this.

Watch carefully, as the terror escalates *there*, what you are seeing *here* is the birth of little baby jihadis, conceived in fear and hate, dividing the world into "us" and "them", and advocating our own "holy war" against "them" - - not against the killers, not against their sponsors - - just "them".

Even with Sodom and Gommorah, God said He would spare the place - - that entire putrid cesspool, if He could find ten just men.

Will he find them here? And will he spare us?

A word to the wise - - if you believe you will one day be called to give account for what you say and do - - every careless word - - then you should be most alarmed at what you are seeing here - - broadbrushed demonization of an entire class of Americans (millions who bear the misfortune of being called "Muslim"), encouragement to discover the locations of local mosques, and calls to terrorize and imprison the innocent. And this is just the start . . .

Asteroids, "prophetic utterances", and conspiracy theories are one thing.

Advocacy of terrorism is another.

I don't post to jihadi threads, so I won't post to what some would like to make a mirror image.

Parting advice for the dark days ahead:

"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good". (Romans 12:21)

******************************************** This post just left a bad taste with me. The "theys" and the first person "we's" and the You who are without sin can go cast that first stone at your local mosque.

Something inside made me made me micro analyze this post and its interesting. . .

I dont have a problem with the post but I have a problem with the disappearance of this guy. He was very prevolant for two months and then this post . . .then nothing. . .man