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1 posted on 01/14/2005 2:27:36 AM PST by freepatriot32
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2 posted on 01/14/2005 2:32:41 AM PST by freepatriot32 (http://chonlalonde.blogspot.com)
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thanks for the ping ;)


3 posted on 01/14/2005 4:13:01 AM PST by Capitalism2003
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That's a pretty good description of Libertarianism from a positive perspective that avoids the many negative implications. I did however disagree with him on a small popular libertarian point.

"My rights extend only to the point where they infringe on your rights." So, for example, your right to swing your fist ends just before you make contact with my nose. If you violate my nose rights, I'll feel free to respond in kind.

Speaking only to the given example, that is not good enough for me. Prudence, a much written about legal concept, would suggest otherwise. Of course I recognize that 'prudence' is not a libertarian concept, as it is impossible to objectively ascertain its exact limitations. That to me is the number one dilemma or flaw in the libertarian philosophy. There must be room for some prudence.

I therefore state that your right to swing your fist ends just before your movement would necessitate a prudent person from taking immediate action in self defense. A threat of imminent physical harm to the person of an individual (not property), is an initiation of force.

4 posted on 01/14/2005 5:28:31 AM PST by jackbob
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Small “L” libertarians are people that just wanted to be left alone to make decisions affecting their personal behavior without interference from government.

How does a small "L" libertarian differ from a large "L" libertarian?

8 posted on 01/14/2005 7:14:06 AM PST by secretagent
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11 posted on 01/14/2005 7:48:33 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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Please add me to your ping list. You have accurately and succinctly stated the majority of my political beliefs.


15 posted on 01/14/2005 12:55:41 PM PST by AntiBurr ("I have sworn on the altar of God eternal hostility against ...Tyranny over the mind of Man.)
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To: freepatriot32
You wrote:

" --- everyone should have the right to decide how to live their lives.
This includes, but is not limited to:

The right to keep and bear arms
The right to absolute control of your own body
The right to engage in risky behavior as long as I don't put you at risk without your consent
The right of consenting adults to engage in any kind of sexual behavior
The right of citizens to protest, burn the flag, and advocate crackpot ideas, left and right
The right of any citizen to respond to violence with violence

Within common law, 'reasonable' limits are put on violence in kind. We've delegated a lot of power to the State in this area.

The right to use or abuse any and all drugs, food, etcetera
The right of you and your family to be healthy
The right to commit suicide
The right to buy, sell, and trade with other citizens
The right to do what I want to do with my real estate as long as it doesn't physically damage your real estate.

Your acts can also do perceived financial damage to your neighbors estate.

The right to protect my personal property from theft or destruction
The right to religious freedom

Also, and most importantly, you don't have the right to impose your will or vision on someone else by use of force, intimidation, or threats of any kind.
You don't have the right to make me pray, salute, or show any kind of loyalty to any religion, political ideal, or belief system of any kind

You have the duty to obey the laws & ideals [the principles] of our US Constitution as a resident here. Read our Oath of Naturalization as a guideline to the obligations of citizenship.

and you don't have the right to take my stuff or hurt my friends and family.
You don't have the right, much less the duty, to protect me from myself.

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Well done list.
Hope you don't mind my nitpicking asides on a few items.

17 posted on 01/14/2005 4:43:20 PM PST by jonestown ( Tolerance for intolerance is not tolerance at all.)
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