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Report: Orange County gunman was social outcast, even on the Internet
AP ^ | 11/6/5

Posted on 11/06/2005 2:49:58 PM PST by SmithL

LOS ANGELES - The Orange County man who killed two neighbors and then turned a shotgun on himself desperately sought friends on the Internet but was ridiculed for his sometimes angry and bizarre messages.

William Freund, 19, had no more success finding companionship online than he had in high school, where his poor social skills made him the butt of cruelty.

In the wake of last week's rampage, Tiffany Key, Freund's former high school classmate, wondered via the Internet: "Think about your interactions with him. Were they positive? Or were you one of those kids that made his life hell?

"If you did, then please change your life. This is your wake-up call."

Two days before Halloween, Freund, who lived in the wealthy community of Aliso Viejo, donned a cape and a paintball mask and drove to a neighbor's home, where killed a father and his 22-year-old daughter. He also fired into another home, wounding a person inside who was cut by flying glass. Freund's shotgun jammed when he fired at another neighbor. Freund then went home and shot himself.

Freund had Asperger's syndrome, a neurological disorder characterized by poor communication and social skills. As an undergraduate at Aliso Niguel High School, he reportedly was harassed, spit on and had his head pushed into the toilet.

People laughed at him and harassed him in the school halls, Key told the Los Angeles Times for a Sunday story.

"He wouldn't get aggressive. He would never retaliate," she said. "He would just take it, day after day."

"Here's a guy who had it really hard and nobody made it any easier for him," said Tio Lavranos, 19, another former classmate.

After Freund graduated last year, he got a part-time job at a computer repair shop in Corona del Mar.

"He didn't have much of a personal life with friends," said Forrest Fuster, his former employer. "He did a lot of work and no play. All he did personally was play on the computer."

Freund only opened up on the Internet, which he accessed from his computer-filled bedroom at his parents house. The Times said he played online games, discussed movies and TV shows such as "The Outer Limits," posted reviews of online businesses, bought and sold video games and paintball supplies on eBay.

He left pleas for friendship on some Web sites.

"I've never really had a friend," Freund wrote in one profile. "I've never had someone I can share more intimate conversation with, or just have a good time with."

In more troubling messages, he discussed guns and, in the weeks before his death, talked about his thoughts of suicide.

"I think the only thing to do is go admit myself to a hospital I feel like I need to kill myself," he wrote in an Oct. 19 post on wrongplanet.com, a Web site for those with Asperger's syndrome.

In one message, Freund said he planned to "Start a Terror Campaign To hurt those that have hurt me," and added: "My future ended some time ago."

In a firearms forum on the Web site somethingawful.com, Freund talked about staging a "Halloween shootout" to get even with pranksters who vandalized his pumpkin last Halloween.

That was met with ridicule.

"I can imagine this mongoloid, sitting on his creaky porch, one strap on his overalls, leaping up and running to the defense of his precious 24-ounce pumpkin," read one response.

Freund's comments got him banned from the Web site three days before his rampage.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: allworkandnoplay; aspergerssyndrome; cryforhelp; dontmesswithmypumkin; makesjackadullboy; myfutureended; outcast; revengeofthenerd; severelackofcowbell; sometimeago
I guess he never made it to DUmmieland.
1 posted on 11/06/2005 2:49:58 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

i keep hearin banjos with this one, at least he had the decency to fix his problem with the last shot.


2 posted on 11/06/2005 2:54:43 PM PST by pipecorp (Let's have a CRUSADE! , the muslims have already started. 1800 replies and not a single post!)
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To: SmithL
Kind of creepy. Here's the thread that the article was talking about:

Buckshot The new shotgun taboo?

3 posted on 11/06/2005 3:03:28 PM PST by Dan Nunn (http://marklevinfan.com/Audio/WhyAreWeAtWar.wma)
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To: SmithL; Tijeras_Slim; Constitution Day; Owl_Eagle; Fierce Allegiance; xsmommy
ridiculed for his sometimes angry and bizarre messages.

Sheesh. This could be several FReepers. Me included.

4 posted on 11/07/2005 5:14:15 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

Todd? They found TLBShow Todd!


5 posted on 11/07/2005 5:28:55 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Want to be on my Civil Engineers ping list? Just say so!)
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To: martin_fierro; Constitution Day; Owl_Eagle; Fierce Allegiance
ridiculed for his sometimes angry and bizarre messages

SMN!

6 posted on 11/07/2005 6:52:37 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I think the kid goes to this school: http://www.snafuuniversity.com/


7 posted on 11/07/2005 6:59:17 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Want to be on my Civil Engineers ping list? Just say so!)
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To: martin_fierro; Tijeras_Slim; Constitution Day; TheBigB; Fierce Allegiance; ...

"I think the only thing to do is go admit myself to a hospital I feel like I need to kill myself," he wrote in an Oct. 19 post on wrongplanet.com, a Web site for those with Asperger's syndrome.

Look Martin, you've weighed in on this before.  You think it's cruel of me to got to wrongplanet.com and ridicule people there.  I don't.  That's why they make chocolate and vanilla.  I wonder if this was that "Lonely Bill" poster to whom I was particularly acerbic to a couple of weeks ago.

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

8 posted on 11/07/2005 7:22:52 AM PST by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Owl_Eagle; martin_fierro; Tijeras_Slim; Constitution Day; Fierce Allegiance; Sam's Army
Owl, are you winning friends and influencing people again?

I told you it is wrong to go to these sites and trying to push these people over the edge. But you just won't listen.

9 posted on 11/07/2005 7:35:34 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

You guys are all so preachy.  If it isn't being critical of my canine dentistry hobby, it's brow beating me about organizing a Jew Klux Klan.  What a bunch of fuddy-duddys.

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

10 posted on 11/07/2005 7:48:59 AM PST by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Owl_Eagle

I was just upset because you thought of it first!


11 posted on 11/07/2005 7:50:55 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

I didn't want to say anything, but skywriting "Bill Freund's a Loser" over the Coliseum at the USC game was particularly cruel on your part.


12 posted on 11/07/2005 8:08:17 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Stuck on Genius)
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To: SmithL

And I thought wrongplanet.com was a Scientology site.


13 posted on 11/07/2005 8:09:41 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Stuck on Genius)
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To: SmithL; Fierce Allegiance; Jersey Republican Biker Chick; Tijeras_Slim; Constitution Day; ...
"He wouldn't get aggressive. He would never retaliate," she said. "He would just take it, day after day."

Dude.

Do what I do:

WRITE AN OPUS!

14 posted on 11/07/2005 10:22:28 AM PST by martin_fierro (Able to communicate telepathically with fish)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
SMN!

MAHNA MAHNA!

15 posted on 11/07/2005 10:29:02 AM PST by martin_fierro (Able to communicate telepathically with fish)
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To: martin_fierro

I guess its too late to tell him to get a life.


16 posted on 11/07/2005 10:30:43 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: martin_fierro
Freund had Asperger's syndrome, a neurological disorder characterized by poor communication and social skills. As an undergraduate at Aliso Niguel High School, he reportedly was harassed, spit on and had his head pushed into the toilet.

And I thought I had it rough in High School. 'course, I was never spit on or had my head pushed into the toilet...

Hmm. Two things I learned today.

1.) If you attend high school, you are an undergraduate.

2.) They actually have a named syndrome for being a nerd..

17 posted on 11/07/2005 10:38:17 AM PST by Experiment 6-2-6 (Admn Mods: tiny, malicious things that glare and gibber from dark corners.They have pins and dolls..)
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