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Storage expert warns of short life span for burned CDs - [say goodbye to those memories]
Computerworld (via Slashdot) ^ | January 10, 2006 | John Blau

Posted on 01/10/2006 6:09:22 PM PST by snarks_when_bored


Storage expert warns of short life span for burned CDs
And don't count on hard disk drives for long-term storage, either

News Story by John Blau

JANUARY 10, 2006

Although opinions vary on how to preserve data on digital storage media, such as optical CDs and DVDs, Kurt Gerecke, a physicist and storage expert at IBM Deutschland GmbH, takes this view: If you want to avoid having to burn new CDs every few years, use magnetic tapes to store all your pictures, videos and songs for a lifetime.

"Unlike pressed original CDs, burned CDs have a relatively short life span of between two to five years, depending on the quality of the CD," Gerecke said in an interview this week. "There are a few things you can do to extend the life of a burned CD, like keeping the disc in a cool, dark space, but not a whole lot more."

The problem is material degradation. Optical discs commonly used for burning, such as CD-R and CD-RW, have a recording surface consisting of a layer of dye that can be modified by heat to store data. The degradation process can result in the data "shifting" on the surface and thus becoming unreadable to the laser beam.

"Many of the cheap burnable CDs available at discount stores have a life span of around two years," Gerecke said. "Some of the better-quality discs offer a longer life span, of a maximum of five years."

Distinguishing high-quality burnable CDs from low-quality discs is difficult, he said, because few vendors use life span as a selling point.

Hard-drive disks also have their limitations, according to Gerecke. The problem with hard drives, he said, is not so much the disk itself as it is the disk bearing, which has a positioning function similar to a ball bearing. "If the hard drive uses an inexpensive disk bearing, that bearing will wear out faster than a more expensive one," he said. His recommendation: a hard-drive disk with 7,200 revolutions per minute.

To overcome the preservation limitations of burnable CDs, Gerecke suggests using magnetic tapes, which, he claims, can have a life span of 30 to 100 years, depending on their quality. "Even if magnetic tapes are also subject to degradation, they're still the superior storage media," he said.

But he's quick to point out that no storage medium lasts forever and, consequently, consumers and business alike need to have a plan for migrating to new storage technologies.

"Companies, in particular, need to be constantly looking at new storage technologies and have an archiving strategy that allows them to automatically migrate to new technologies," he said. "Otherwise, they're going to wind up in a dead end. And for those sitting on terabytes of crucial data, that could be a colossal problem."


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: cd; datastorage; magnetictape; shortlifespan; zaq
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Baked clay tablets are the only way to go...
1 posted on 01/10/2006 6:09:25 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
I burned some CDs back in 1999. They still play fine. I'm not too worried, although my guess is that they'll only last another 7 to 10 years.
2 posted on 01/10/2006 6:11:17 PM PST by jdm (WWW-WEBMASTER (My grandfather swears it's his email address))
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Baked clay tablets are the only way to go...

Good shelf life, sorta low density, though.

3 posted on 01/10/2006 6:11:17 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: jdm

Yeah. I have a ton of stuff burned from 98, 99 that still reads fine.


4 posted on 01/10/2006 6:19:39 PM PST by sigSEGV
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To: freedumb2003

Yeah, true, but the amount of information needed to convey what's really important isn't really all that large (he opined optimistically)...


5 posted on 01/10/2006 6:20:18 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

I just encrypt my data, upload it to P2P networks as "Jessica Simpson Home Porn Video", and let horny geeks mirror my backups for eternity.


6 posted on 01/10/2006 6:20:50 PM PST by 10mm
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To: 10mm
I just encrypt my data, upload it to P2P networks as "Jessica Simpson Home Porn Video", and let horny geeks mirror my backups for eternity.

So you're the guy sucking up all my bandwidth...damn you!

7 posted on 01/10/2006 6:24:30 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: 10mm

"I just encrypt my data, upload it to P2P networks as "Jessica Simpson Home Porn Video", and let horny geeks mirror my backups for eternity."

Whoa. Wait a minute. How does that work? They're thinking they're getting porn, but it's really your run-of-the-mill file storage? That's a great idea.


8 posted on 01/10/2006 6:46:26 PM PST by jdm (WWW-WEBMASTER (My grandfather swears it's his email address))
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To: snarks_when_bored
My take is that the classic view of online and offline storage, where one uses something like tape or now CD for backup and archival storage, is the wrong way to look at it.

Hard disk drives keep growing fast enough, and their per-bit cost coming down fast enough, that one should instead keep all data, all versions of all files that anyone might ever care about, on ones disk drive, forever.

Offline storage still has its uses, for disaster recover and for data transportation. But don't use it instead of online storage (don't put your only copy of some useful data on a CD), and don't use it for versioning (keeping track of old versions of stuff.)

I've got stuff dating back 12 years right on my disk in front of me, including from the times I ran DOS, 4DOS, Windows 3.1, OS/2 Warp and some early Linux boots.

Every year or two, I buy a new disk, much bigger than the previous one, and copy it all over, under some folder called "old" or some such.

Then I use removable disks (used to be tape, but now disks are cheaper per bit) for backups, so I always have a few full and recent backups, in different locations.

I've got some old tape, disk, floppy and CD backups, but they are useless. Old stale, unsearchable stuff on media that I probably can't even read anymore. I should throw them out.

9 posted on 01/10/2006 6:51:18 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The distrust of authority is a deeply destructive force in the hands of evil men.)
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Good plan...most people won't (or can't) follow it...


10 posted on 01/10/2006 7:03:22 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: jdm

I've got CDs from 6 or 7 years ago that still play, too. But I'm waiting for the dreaded day when they won't...


11 posted on 01/10/2006 7:04:52 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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"Whoa. Wait a minute. How does that work? They're thinking they're getting porn, but it's really your run-of-the-mill file storage? That's a great idea."

All kidding aside, I backup online using remote RAID systems networked via VPN and offline using DVDs.

12 posted on 01/10/2006 7:15:54 PM PST by 10mm
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Didn't some CDR's say when they come out that they were good for like 100 years or something like that? Anyone for a class action lawsuit?
13 posted on 01/10/2006 8:09:18 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: snarks_when_bored
Velocity CDR 52X 80 Min. (100-Spindle) Features

* Top Surface: Silver Printable

* Recording Speed: 4X/8X/16X/24X/48X/52X Certified Write Speed

* Storage Capacity: 80 Minutes / 700MB

* Life: 100 years with proper care / read more than 1,000,000 times

here

14 posted on 01/10/2006 8:13:15 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon
Did you read the first review on the CD-R page you linked to? Pretty funny.
Summary:  "No, no, no. They're garbage."

15 posted on 01/10/2006 9:18:11 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
LOL! No, I was just looking for an example of what I was talking about with the false advertising of 100years.
16 posted on 01/10/2006 9:29:07 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: snarks_when_bored

In the LONG LONG TERM, keep refreshing data and resaving it.


17 posted on 01/10/2006 9:30:13 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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In the LONG LONG TERM, keep refreshing data and resaving it.

Yeah, I guess: "Time to make the donuts back-ups..."

18 posted on 01/10/2006 9:35:03 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

Pen, ink, and plain ol' paper turns out to be the best for documents after all. Good for several hundreds of years.

As for photos, old family albums date back to the early 1900's and the photos still look good.


19 posted on 01/10/2006 11:05:25 PM PST by Cedar
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To: Cedar

Indeed. The paper ought to be acid-free, though.


20 posted on 01/10/2006 11:17:59 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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