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How Apple and Microsoft are advancing desktop Linux
Desktop Linux ^ | Jun. 23, 2006 | Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Posted on 06/26/2006 7:08:07 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

Normally, we expect new Linux desktop users to come from the ranks of disgruntled Windows users. After all, they're the ones who have to deal with high-prices and endless security problems. Now, it seems that some Mac gurus are also making the switch to Linux.

(Excerpt) Read more at desktoplinux.com ...


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: apple; closedsource; desktoplinux; foss; fud; getthefacts; linux; macintelosh; macos; microsoft; notready4primetime; opensource; os10; oss; osx; windows
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1 posted on 06/26/2006 7:08:11 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Now, it seems that some Mac gurus are also making the switch to Linux.

The article only mentions one "guru" - Mark Pilgrim - who is upset that Apple hasn't published the latest source code for the kernel.

If you want to spend time hacking the kernel, Linux is the way to go.

For computer users who aren't interesting in kernel hacking, Get a Mac.

2 posted on 06/26/2006 11:16:42 AM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

From the latest Enterprise Mac column on InfoWorld:

http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisemac/archives/2006/06/showering_after.html

"I have too much actual work to do to find any pleasure in building a race car out of popsicle sticks. That's Linux."


3 posted on 06/26/2006 1:18:58 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Delirious.

Go out on the street and ask 100 people what Linux is. To be safe, ask 1000. Maybe then you will actually find someone who knows what it is.

I'm not knocking Linux but let's get real.


4 posted on 06/26/2006 2:39:52 PM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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To: 1234; 6SJ7; Action-America; af_vet_rr; afnamvet; Alexander Rubin; anonymous_user; ...
Are any Freeper Mac users planning on switching to Linux? This article seems to think that Mac users are switching and will be part of Linux's ultimate success... PING!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

5 posted on 06/26/2006 5:11:39 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!")
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To: Swordmaker

Nope. I actually switched from Linux to Mac in 2001 and haven't looked back.

I still use Linux for my server machines, it's great for that.


6 posted on 06/26/2006 5:15:06 PM PDT by mhx
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Mac Gurus are geeks. Any Mac Guru worth their capital "G" would have explored Linux by now as a diversion and form of entertainment.

Linux is not a bad operating system. It is mostly just very unpolished, but not much worse than trying to use Windows. A lot of the same UI schemes are used in Linux, making it easier for Windows users to transition to Linux than for Mac users, and non-guru Mac users don't need Linux. The Unix underpinnings of Mac OS X are sufficient for most open source purposes.


7 posted on 06/26/2006 5:17:22 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: HAL9000
The article only mentions one "guru" - Mark Pilgrim - who is upset that Apple hasn't published the latest source code for the kernel.

He's more concerned about proprietary data formats, and he has a point. Apple is reasonably good about using open formats, but as the iTunes store shows they will go for lock-in when it suits their purposes.

8 posted on 06/26/2006 5:17:43 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: ThinkDifferent
as the iTunes store shows they will go for lock-in when it suits their purposes.

iTunes support for the open audio formats is what matters. iTunes Music Store DRM is a business necessity, but iTunes doesn't lock out content from other sources that don't use DRM.

9 posted on 06/26/2006 5:36:26 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: coconutt2000
Tunes Music Store DRM is a business necessity,

It's only a business necessity if you think your customers are thieves. See Baen's Free Library for an example of a company that doesn't, and is quite successful nonetheless.

10 posted on 06/26/2006 6:07:10 PM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place.)
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To: coconutt2000
Linux is not a bad operating system. It is mostly just very unpolished, but not much worse than trying to use Windows.

Linux is only really polished as a server operating system, and there it is very slick and feature rich. Linux will never be anything but a bitplayer as a desktop OS, but I'm not sure why it needs to be a desktop OS.

11 posted on 06/26/2006 6:12:25 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing; Swordmaker
Me and the 4 people close to me use a Mac as a Internet appliance and photos and I'm sure we are not alone. On the other hand I have been following Red Hat for a year and it has gone from $12 to $27 and as high as $32???
12 posted on 06/26/2006 6:30:41 PM PDT by tubebender (Some minds are like concrete, thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.)
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To: Golden Eagle

building a race car out of popsicle sticks... ooh, cool idea... of course, the completed hack would burn down when the engine turned over...


13 posted on 06/26/2006 6:47:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006.)
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To: zeugma
Geez, dude. You're not even making a coherent argument. Apple doesn't OWN the rights to the songs in the music store. They license them. If they didn't include DRM, the song owners wouldn't license them to the Music Store. Please notice that you don't see J. K. Rowling, Stephen King or Clive Cussler in the Baen Free Library. The reason is because Baen doesn't own the rights to them. Baen only has free downloads for writers who have contractually committed to providing the books for that purpose.

They're totally different business models, and if I had to guess, I'd say the iTunes Music Store has been a tad more profitable. Oh, and by the way, you can download about a zillion free podcasts from iTunes, that include business, media, science and technology, comedy, and yes, free music.

14 posted on 06/26/2006 6:52:37 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: zeugma

I'm a big fan of Baen's library and webscriptions.

But the iTunes DRM is a business necessity because that's what the suppliers demand for the right to sell the music. Apple is a retailer of the music, not a producer, and thus Apple does not dictate the way it sells music, television shows, etc.

It isn't that hard to understand. The DRM is a business necessity. It is also obvious that it is a necessity imposed by the producers of the music.

Do I dislike the DRM? Sure, but honestly - it makes no difference to me. I don't share the music I buy with just anybody, and the terms of use are very simple and fair. Five machines, unlimited burns, unlimited plays, and I don't have to worry about my ownership of the tracks I buy expiring.

Besides, a fair enough DRM is not onerous. Thanks to the DRM and iTMS, I can buy the tracks I like for 99 cents. I don't have to pay $15-20 for an album at a music store just to get a single song. The DRM has saved me money, and iTMS has saved me time and gas.

I don't know what all the bitching about iTunes DRM is about anyhow. Between Audible and iTunes, I get a lot of use out of iTunes, and my iPod. Oh, yeah - that's right. Some people are upset because they have their own MP3 player but they want to buy cheaper music from iTMS and easily sync their third party MP3 player with iTunes. Not my problem. If people want to use iTunes or an iPod, but not together - tough. I want Microsoft Exchange Server to run a Macintosh, and the Exchange functionality enabled on all of Microsoft's applications for the Mac. Tough for me.


15 posted on 06/26/2006 7:20:04 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: tortoise

I agree that Linux is most at home and the most feature complete as a server operating system.

And it will never be a fully polished desktop OS. Linux is developed by a lot of hobbyists. This means that it will always embrace the envelope of computing technology before the mainstream. If rocketry was cheaper, and certain limits set by the government were removed - civilian rocketry in our country would stand the world on its head with some very cool applications.

Linux will always be cool, but it isn't likely it will ever sit still long enough to become a mainstream desktop OS. Of course, we may be surprised by the adoption of Linux by a well funded company intent on turning it into a mainstream OS, and if everything I've seen is an indicator - I think it would be very profitable for a company that can use Apple's model of hardware and software synergy to add value and appeal.


16 posted on 06/26/2006 7:28:28 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: tubebender

Stock price does not reflect product quality.


17 posted on 06/26/2006 7:36:51 PM PDT by Terpfen
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To: HAL9000

Get a load of what that guy is switching to: a Chicomm Lenovo special.

http://diveintomark.org/archives/2006/05/30/bye-apple

Thankfully he's taking a beating on his own site.


18 posted on 06/26/2006 7:55:21 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Terpfen

So what is driving the price?


19 posted on 06/26/2006 7:58:01 PM PDT by tubebender (Some minds are like concrete, thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.)
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To: tubebender

I would presume RHAT's success in the server market, instead of the consumer market.

Also, the stock seems to have a general "hold" recommendation on it...


20 posted on 06/26/2006 8:37:11 PM PDT by Terpfen
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