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La Russa: McGwire Belongs in Hall of Fame ("I've believed in him from Day One.")
FOX Sports ^ | 11/28/2006 | AP

Posted on 11/28/2006 1:32:31 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

"I've believed in him from day one. I still believe in him," the St. Louis Cardinals manager said Tuesday in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. McGwire is appearing on the Hall of Fame ballot for the first time, and an AP survey of 125 baseball writers who are eligible to vote - about 20 percent of the total - showed that only one in four who gave an opinion planned to vote for McGwire.

"It would be two in five then. I'd make it two in five," La Russa said. "I can't answer for anybody else, what priorities they give and how they weigh stuff. I know what my personal opinion is, and that's the way it stays."

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.foxsports.com ...


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: accusationsnotproof; baseball; cardinals; cheat; halloffame; kennyrogerscheat; markmcgwire; missouri; mlb; onthejuice; steroids; stlouis; tonylarussa
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1 posted on 11/28/2006 1:32:33 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
The 2006 Cardinals are the most pathetic World Champion of all time.

83 wins.

They beat a Mets team without their Ace and #3 starter.

Then they ruin a Cinderella Tigers season.

Ego maniac LaRussa is a disgrace to baseball and Italians.
2 posted on 11/28/2006 1:43:12 PM PST by new yorker 77 (Speaker Pelosi - Three cheers for Amnesty!)
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To: new yorker 77

did you eat beans ?


3 posted on 11/28/2006 1:45:27 PM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: new yorker 77
At least the Cardinals -- unlike the team they defeated in the World Series this year -- actually won THEIR division.
4 posted on 11/28/2006 1:48:12 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("On 11/07/06, 'true' conservatives and 'rat traitors joined forces to bring Sharia law to America.")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; stylecouncilor

I used to love watching McGuire when he was a power hitter at USC. If he was on steroids then, that's too bad. But to think that he should get into the Baseball Hall Of Fame on them...no way.


5 posted on 11/28/2006 1:54:25 PM PST by onedoug
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To: new yorker 77

When did baseball become a welfare state? The Cardinals earned their championship.


6 posted on 11/28/2006 1:56:04 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal
When did baseball become a welfare state? The Cardinals earned their championship.

Amen. I'm grouchy that the Cards beat my Tigers, but they won fair and square.

The bastards!

7 posted on 11/28/2006 1:57:48 PM PST by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity.)
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To: new yorker 77
YOUR Yankees are the most pathetic group of multi-millionaires in sports today.

Can't even win their league champ, even though they have the highest payroll in baseball.

Take your team and shove it.

8 posted on 11/28/2006 2:03:24 PM PST by demsux
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To: new yorker 77
The 2006 Cardinals are the most pathetic World Champion of all time.

83 wins.

They beat a Mets team without their Ace and #3 starter.


The same could have been said about my '87 Dodgers, who beat the Mets (repeat chokers) and whupped the supposedly much better A's. The Dodgers had NO offense (Kirk Gibson had only one at bat, but he mae it count . . . a ninth inning grand slam). Poor Orel Hershiser's arm was going to fall off as he started AND relieved.

The cheapest rep for a World Series remains the 1973 Mets, who managed only 82 wins and an anemic .509 winning %.

i stopped watching baseball when the wild card and interleague play came in. It is only a matter of time before we get a syb .500 playoff team, like the NHL.
9 posted on 11/28/2006 2:11:40 PM PST by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: LdSentinal
This year was revenge for 1968 when the Cardinals were clearly the better team on paper.

McGuire should be a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame based on his statistics alone. He is quite similar to Harmon Killebrew, though Killebrew could play more positions and had no suspicions of steroid use.

Since McGuire is a nice guy and not a total prick like Barry Bonds, I'm inclined to take him at his word that he didn't use steroids. He did tail off rather spectacularly after his 65 homerun 1999 season which indicates that even if he were juicing, he gave it up long before he had to.

10 posted on 11/28/2006 2:15:11 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: sittnick

'87 dodgers? try '88.


11 posted on 11/28/2006 2:15:30 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: bobby.223

Okay, '88. I was working from memory.


12 posted on 11/28/2006 2:18:30 PM PST by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Roger Maris: Still the legit season home run king.
Hank Aaron: Always the legit career home run king.


13 posted on 11/28/2006 2:19:25 PM PST by GunnyHartman (The DNC, misunderestimating Dubya's strategery since 2000.)
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To: Vigilanteman
Since McGuire is a nice guy and not a total prick like Barry Bonds, I'm inclined to take him at his word that he didn't use steroids.

Considering that he wouldn't say as much under oath, "his word" isn't worth much.

I don't care if he's a "nice guy" or not. If he changes his tune under oath, he's a liar.

14 posted on 11/28/2006 2:21:46 PM PST by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: Vigilanteman

The 1968 Tigers had Mickey Lolich. Three Series wins. He couldn't throw 102 mph like some of the 2006 Tigers, but when the game was on the line, he was a stud.

And I'm a Cardinal fan.


15 posted on 11/28/2006 2:28:27 PM PST by csn vinnie
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To: csn vinnie

the '68 tigers were a very good team. (they would have won the AL flag in '67 also if not for denny's, ahem, "accident" towards the end of the season.) lolich was great that series.


16 posted on 11/28/2006 2:38:03 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: csn vinnie
Lolich had a great series and even hit a lucky home run, but he was merely an above average pitcher who had only two 20 game win seasons in his entire career, pitching almost the entire time for contending teams. Walter Johnson managed twelve 20 game win seasons, pitching almost the entire time for non-contending teams.

Lolich had a career batting average of .110 and never hit another homerun. Walter Johnson hit 97 and had a career batting average of .235.

That isn't to say the Tigers didn't deserve to win the 1968 World Series because they clearly played a better 7 games, it is only to say the 2006 Cardinals did better yet despite an anemic regular season in what is arguably the toughest division in baseball.

17 posted on 11/28/2006 2:48:55 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
In the Seattle Kingdome circa 1999 I saw McGuire hit a 99mph Randy Johnson fastball. It was just barely high, but right down the middle of the plate.

The HR was officially announced at 489ft...but thats where it went through the walkway on the 3rd level and into the passage that surrounded the Dome. That walkway was at least 75 feet above field level...and I have no doubt, had there been no obstruction, that ball would have flown 600ft.

It was the hardest hit ball I ever saw. Simply amazing.

Randy lost the game 1-0.

18 posted on 11/28/2006 3:05:46 PM PST by Mariner
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To: GunnyHartman

Roger Maris got the short end of it IMHO. He was a great player and from all I know about him, a good man.

My 12-year-old nephew is a super baseball fan and budding historian and quite a good and up and comming player himself and Marris is his hero.

If you haven't watched it, take the time to see the movie "61".

If Roger Maris merrits an astricks behind his name, what does McGuire, et all deserve?

McGuire would have stood higher in my book if he'd just come clean and said, "yes I took andro - it was stupid and it was wrong". It wasn't illegal at the time, heck I could have bought it a my local GNC. He could have taken the high road but instead he went down the Bill Clinton low road of denying it in the face of the evidence and never taking responsibility for his actions.

Jason Giambi came clean and has stayed clean and salvagedhis career and reputation (except of course among all you rabid Yankee haters out there).


19 posted on 11/28/2006 3:11:50 PM PST by Caramelgal (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys - P.J. O.)
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maris was a great player for only a few seasons until injuries ruined him. at the time he was rated just behind kaline and clemente with the glove also.


20 posted on 11/28/2006 3:21:14 PM PST by bobby.223
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