Posted on 09/10/2007 7:48:32 AM PDT by meandog
...maybe, but you don't seem to know much about it either...i.e.: Klu Klux Klan
What war crimes?! Show me PROOF that he did.
You can’t. A congressional investigation totally cleared him of ANY alleged war crimes.
(More Yankee Southern-hating BullSh*t!)
Prove it, Yank!
Not a student of military history are you? Ask this question to any military historian or field grade or higher officer in the U.S. Army, and you will have some concept of his legacy.
A Joint Congressional Committee concluded that troops under his command did indeed fire upon troops who had surrendered.
It seems clear that Forrest's men feared, loved and obeyed him - he evinced a loyalty and obedience among his soldiers unmatched by any captain except maybe Lee or Jackson.
It beggars belief that his men did this without his permission and then went undisciplined.
You can’t. A congressional investigation totally cleared him of ANY alleged war crimes.
No, the investigation learned that not one of Forrest's men would give evidence against him, and that absent such corroborating evidence he could not be legally charged.
(More Yankee Southern-hating BullSh*t!)
LOL! Classic victim mentality. Indistinguishable from the subset of black people who cry "racism!" any time a black icon is criticized.
Guess what: the Confederacy was not a squeaky-clean organization. It was staffed by human beings, same as any other.
I agree with you that the Confederacy wasn’t “squeaky” clean. What I don’t agree with, OR believe, is that NB Forrest ordered his men to do what they did.
If I lumped you in with some of our Southern-Haters that are on this forum, then I apologize. It seems you are not.
I tend to be over-sensitive in that area at times.....:)
I guarantee that he never explicitly ordered them to do this. But knowing the man's nature as evinced by his statements about the Union arming black men and knowing the tenor of the times, it is hard to reach any conclusion other than his men did this knowing he would be pleased or at least that they would not be disciplined.
If I lumped you in with some of our Southern-Haters that are on this forum, then I apologize. It seems you are not.
I love the South, but I am not a fan of the Confederacy. Had the Confederacy succeeded in its aims, the USA would be much the poorer for it.
Without the South, America would not be great.
No they cannot.
I respect your right to not agree with the Confederacy, but I do believe that the right of secession was valid then, and also valid now. If the liberals take over, we may be forced to use that option! :)
I respect your right to not agree with the Confederacy, but I do believe that the right of secession was valid then, and also valid now. If the liberals take over, we may be forced to use that option! :)
More NeoConfederate self delusion and mythology hysteria.
Wideawake is right...and I love the South and Southerners and everything they contribute to this country. I lived all over Dixie and will be going back.
Veritas brother. Every word.
Without the South, America would not be great.
Amen again.
The “Fort Pillow Myth” that surrounds NBF is just as noxious to me as the Brit-promoted legend that the Spaniards were crueler to the Indians than were the Brits.
It never ceases to amaze me how few people actually pick up a book on either subject.
Grant worked on his father-in-law's farm in Missouri for a couple of years, overseeing slaves. He hated it. He bought one slave, but freed him within a year or so. If you can show any documentation otherwise, have at it.
Well the Fort Pillow incident is portrayed either as being a matter of Forrest carefully instructing his troops beforehand to murder prisoners of war or as a completely shocked Forrest weeping with sorrow after discovering what had transpired.
The truth, as the books show, lies in between.
Grant made a living as a slave trader? Where and when?
Much like Wounded Knee, it was really a situation where all plans and rules of conduct were thrown out the window due to misunderstandings (within the confederate forces and between the CSA army and the Fort's inhabitants) which led to a bloodbath.
From what I've read and learned, NBF, while a tough SOB, did not expect the situation to get as out of hand as it did. Unfortunately, as my own personal hero from the same conflict (though fighting on the opposite side) said: "There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell."
This coming from a man who has a picture of “Sherman” on his page......:)
But...I will defer. I am an old Submariner myself. USS Sunfish, SSN-649. (And the Skipjack was the first sub I ever toured :)..............
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