Posted on 03/21/2008 4:07:07 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
We probably don't know enough to narrow it down to such a definitive statement.
The libtards on every planet killed them.
They didn't. If they did then there would be evidence of their stellar and galatic level engineering visible even today. Once you get to a mature interstellar culture the species becomes impossible to erdicate. Some trace of it will ALWAYS survive.
Multiply that existence across deep time and something should have generated some kind of ultra-engineering visible at interstellar distances.
The Drake Equation assumed there were only numbers, as in number of stars with planets, to be considered when equating the odds of live arising on a planet or planets. The missuse of statistics was what I tried to refer to.The Drake Equation didn't assume there were only numbers -- it was an attempt to estimate the number of civilizations in the galaxy. Since we can't go beyond our own Solar System, that's the best we've got. Making assumptions is something *everyone* (including Ross) will have to do. Meanwhile, the estimate varies based on new information, new findings, new assumptions, etc.
This equation consists of 8 variables, all of which are explained below.Obviously fp has a much higher value than previously thought, since for a time binary stars were considered more common. ne is one that can be refined as orbital telescopes, larger scopes, and new techniques proliferate. L was one used by the likes of Carl Sagan to grind various political axes, and -- like at least a few others -- are entirely based on assumptions of various kinds. There won't be any widely acceptable data on any of these until at least one unequivocal contact with extraterrestrial civilization is made, probably via the electromagnetic spectrum.
N is the number of civilizations within our galaxy that are capable (technology-wise) of communicating with us. R* is the average rate of star formation in our galaxy. This value is currently thought to be approximately 20 stars per year. fp is the fraction of these stars that have planetary systems. The fraction of stars with planets in our galaxy is one of the unknown factors in Drake's Equation. The Hubble Space Telescope has spotted multiple “protoplanetary disks" (orbiting debris of gas and dust around a star out of which planets are thought to be formed) around stars. Astronomers have also discovered massive planets resembling Jupiter orbiting stars. These observations indicate that planetary systems could be common throughout the galaxy. ne is the number of planets that have environments suitable to the development of life in each system. In other words, how many earth-like planets are there? Planets that are in the habitable zone? of a star are able to maintain a temperature that would allow liquid water, and life as we know it needs liquid water to develop and survive. fl is the fraction of these planets that actually have life. Just because a planet is in the habitable zone of a star doesn't mean that planet will have life. Other factors such as an abundance of certain chemicals and a continual source of energy are necessary for life to develop. fi is the fraction of these planets that have intelligent life. Intelligence could just be a fluke. Biologist Ernst Mayr noted that “It took intelligence millions of years to evolve on Earth, and it only involved once out of a billion species of earthly animals”. Intelligent life on other planets in the galaxy is likely to be as rare. fc is the fraction of the species of intelligent life that have developed technology for interstellar communication. Consider the hundreds of thousands of species on Earth. Only we, the human race, have developed any form of technology. Also, just because an intelligent species is capable of interstellar communication, who knows whether they'd have the desire or ambition to initiate such communication? L is the average lifetime of a technological civilization, or the length of time civilizations release detectable signals into space. This is one of the most difficult factors of the Drake equation to estimate. When species have developed technology capable of sending messages out into space, they most likely also have the technology to (inadvertently) destroy themselves.
Wow.
Global warming is now destroying the entire universe!
They got taxed to death. That is why we can’t see em now lol.
John
The answer is obvious. We are just not advanced enough yet to see what they have done.
Have you ever considered that we are an artifact of some advanced civilization?
We don’t even know what gravity is yet. We are primitive beyond description compared to a race a million years ahead of us.
John
One last thought for you: we think in terms of space stretching out and offering a buffer to the past, as in the past violent events such as this star, but what we ought to consider occasionally is the temporal expanse which gives us the protection for our 'quiet period' of life development on earth. And that doesn't even touch the notion that dimension Time may have volume, as well as planar present, and linear past.
Stellar Engineering projects would be obvious to us even now. A ringworld, dyson sphere or any matrioshka sphere would be obvious if the start itself is in detection range.
Sorry, I'm not even going to consider the Danikenite hypothesis without a shred of proof.
A race one million years ahead of us technologically would have already started reorganizing the galaxy / universe to better suit them. It would be staggeringly obvious if they started doing things like that.
Some heavens and some hells are indeed myths, some are not..
All observed logic observes the opposite.. The Universe is empty of life.. Not to speak of the fact science has no idea of what life is.. or even death.. Living DNA and dead DNA appear exactly the same.. So obviously life is NOT in DNA..
What you are saying is that if we can’t understand why it is then it must not be.
My guess is that intelligence is the organizing factor in the universe. That this intellignece is actually the organizing quality that turned raw energy into hydrogen, into stars, into planets, into “Life”.
That what we call matter, energy, life are just waves on this ocean of intelligence.
When it comes to life my guess is that intelligence is projected through DNA as life. That life is a quality that is the same all over yet appears in myriads of forms because of the different configurations of DNA. What appears to us as different forms of life is actually the same quality just projected differently.
Sort of like white light from a flashlight. Put a green lense on it it and its green. Red lense red.
John
I don’t agree that they would alter the universe to suit themselves simply because of how it would affect other sentient life.
Rather then alter this universe they might just rather create their own.
John
That of course is bull sperm.. Intellectually viscous but quite slimy..
Oh Ye of little faith. (G).
John
That what we call matter, energy, life are just waves on this ocean of intelligence.
We were trying to talk about science but you seem to be more inclined to talk about some odd Van Daniken like religion professing faith in waves on the ocean of intelligence.
Based on the observations (Humans), they most certainly would. Look around Earth. We're busy shaping this world and there are already structures that can be seen from orbit.
A galatic civilization will create or alter things on a galatic level.
From current data, sentient life is an extreme rarity, so an intelligence capable of altering Galaxies would in fact propbably place very high value on other sentient life and enter their welfare into calculations, so long as doing so didn’t endanger the ‘higher life’. I find it interesting that discussions like this just ignore the testimonies about Angels ... are they evidence of that ‘galactic civilizaytion’? They exist in some where/when we have yet to detect and we only know of them when they ‘step’ into our where/when. I am currently convinced that we will make a significant leap into advancement when we realize there is a temporal reality apart from our perceived one. We sense nothing in the actual present of the phenomenon, so it’s not so much of a leap to imagine a temporal limit beyond our planar present (I call it the volumetric variable of dimension time). Jesus came from and went to some where/when we are not sensing in the physical yet He made these moves with a physical body of some sort.
Beings that would alter worlds at the expense of other life would probably blow themselves up before they got to that level.
John
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