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Davis' bicentennial eclipsed by Lincoln
The Kentucky Kernel ^ | 3/28/08 | Jill Laster

Posted on 03/28/2008 12:15:10 PM PDT by cowboyway

Over the last few months, celebrations for Abraham Lincoln's 200th birthday have drawn attention to the Kentucky native's life and his legacy as president. But the 200-year anniversary of another Kentucky president's birth, Confederate President Jefferson Davis, is receiving mixed reviews.

"I'll say it this way - winners write history," said Ron Bryant, a Lexington historian writing a book on Davis. "We need heroes, we need villains. Lincoln became a hero and Davis a villain."

Davis was born in what is now Todd County, Ky., in 1808, one year before Lincoln. Davis served as the only president of the 11 southern states that seceded from the Union between 1861 and 1865. The Confederate States of America surrendered in 1865, and Davis was locked in prison the same year.

Despite being denounced by many civil rights groups, signs of Davis' legacy can still be found throughout the state.

In Southwest Kentucky, a structure resembling the Washington Monument stands in memory of Davis. At 351 feet tall, the Jefferson Davis Monument is the fourth largest freestanding obelisk in the world, according to Kentucky State Parks.

Although Kentucky never seceded from the Union, a statue of Davis stands in the rotunda in the state's Capitol building.

"The Civil War is still very much alive in many places," said Cliff Howard, a Jefferson Davis impersonator. "Kentucky was on both sides of the fence. It still is."

Having heard of Kentucky's reputation for "being a little backward," integrated strategic communications senior James Davidson Jr. was not surprised about Davis' statue in the Capitol building.

Davidson, first-vice president of UK's chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said a statue of Davis leaves a bad impression.

"What is Frankfort saying to the rest of Kentucky with it being there?" Davidson said. "I respect everyone's heritage and Southern tradition, but given the history, I think it shouldn't be there."

The statue of Davis, installed in 1936, is one of five statues in the Capitol building. Lincoln is the largest in the center, and Davis stands in the corner behind his right shoulder. Former Kentucky Congressman Henry Clay, physician and drafter of the state constitution Ephraim McDowell and former Vice President Alben Barkley also stand in the rotunda.

The last time Davis' statue came into debate was 2003, when a coalition of African-American groups protested its presence in the Capitol building. A state advisory committee left the issue up to former Gov. Ernie Fletcher, who took no action during his term.

Gov. Steve Beshear does not plan to remove the statue because Davis is a historical figure who represents part of Kentucky's cultural history, a spokeswoman said.

Student Government President Nick Phelps said his feelings on the statue in the Capitol building resembled how he felt during a controversy two years ago about a 46-foot mural in Memorial Hall depicting the history of Lexington and its surrounding area. The mural, which some said stereotyped American Indians and blacks, was not removed.

"I was not in support of removing the mural, so I would not support removing Jefferson Davis," Phelps said. "I don't think we should remove history. I think it removes the question, 'Who is he?' "

Many students might ask the same question about Davis.

In Kentucky, the Civil War is part of the middle school curriculum. Unless students take an advanced placement history course in high school, that's usually the last time they focus on 19th century American history, said Nayasha Owens-Morton, a U.S. history and African-American history teacher at Bryan Station Traditional High School.

William Campbell has taught a class on Lincoln at UK for about 10 years as an English and honors professor. Students going into his class know little about the confederate president, he said.

"About Jefferson Davis, Kentuckians tend to know that he was from our state, that there's a memorial dedicated to him somewhere in the state, and that he was the president of the Confederacy," Campbell said. "Of Lincoln's writings, most have read only the Gettysburg Address. Of Davis's writings, most have read nothing."


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1 posted on 03/28/2008 12:15:10 PM PDT by cowboyway
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To: stainlessbanner

Dixie ping


2 posted on 03/28/2008 12:17:08 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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3 posted on 03/28/2008 12:21:22 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: cowboyway
"Of Lincoln's writings, most have read only the Gettysburg Address. Of Davis's writings, most have read nothing."

Well Davis' writings weren't nearly as pithy or memorable.

He was a man of great physical courage and of deep personal sorrow who handled a doomed enterprise honorably. While many former Confederates sniped at him for administrative and military incompetence, history shows what an impossible situation he had been placed in.

4 posted on 03/28/2008 12:30:58 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: cowboyway
What a goofy article.

I'm reading through it when along comes this:

Having heard of Kentucky's reputation for "being a little backward," integrated strategic communications senior James Davidson Jr. was not surprised about Davis' statue in the Capitol building.

So who (besides Davidson apparently) thinks Kentucky is "a little backward"? Is that codespeak for not sufficiently politically correct?

It was an awkward and bumbling mechanism but it accomplished what it set out to do, which is set up an excuse to bash and condemn the Jefferson Davis Monument.

Fortunately I doubt that groups like Davidson's will gain enough traction to accomplish their aims...
5 posted on 03/28/2008 12:41:59 PM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: rockrr
thinks Kentucky is "a little backward"? Is that codespeak for not sufficiently politically correct?

Codespeak for 'redneck', 'hillbilly', 'ignert' and 'white'.

I'm so glad that BHO has opened up a race discussion in this country.

6 posted on 03/28/2008 2:41:29 PM PDT by cowboyway (Did I say that out loud?)
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To: wideawake
While many former Confederates sniped at him for administrative and military incompetence, history shows what an impossible situation he had been placed in.

One of the first things that he did as President was to for a Peace Commission to try to resolve the differences with the union, but, unfortunately, Lincoln preferred a more violent solution.


7 posted on 03/28/2008 2:47:48 PM PDT by cowboyway (Did I say that out loud?)
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To: cowboyway
One of the first things that he did as President was to for a Peace Commission to try to resolve the differences with the union

Given the paucity of the South's resources, he had no other choice.

but, unfortunately, Lincoln preferred a more violent solution.

No, he didn't at all.

However, the violent assault on US troops stationed at Fort Sumter gave him no other choice.

Davis' minions just didn't take his Peace Commission as seriously as he did.

8 posted on 03/28/2008 3:27:37 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: cowboyway
One of the first things that he did as President was to for a Peace Commission to try to resolve the differences with the union, but, unfortunately, Lincoln preferred a more violent solution.

He sent a group to deliver an ultimatum to Lincoln, you mean. Peace was not what he wanted, surrender was.

9 posted on 03/28/2008 4:18:21 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: cowboyway

“One of the first things that he did as President was to for a Peace Commission to try to resolve the differences with the union, but, unfortunately, Lincoln preferred a more violent solution.”

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Davis’ political foes in South Carolina wouldn’t have tolerated it. He was reviled almost as much by his fellow Southern politicians as he was by Northern ones.


10 posted on 03/28/2008 4:33:20 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: wideawake
No, he didn't at all.

The truth speaks otherwise. The South didn't invade the north..............

11 posted on 03/28/2008 6:40:10 PM PDT by cowboyway (Did I say that out loud?)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Peace was not what he wanted, surrender was.

You mean Lincoln? I agree.

12 posted on 03/28/2008 6:41:17 PM PDT by cowboyway (Did I say that out loud?)
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To: cowboyway

Davis, wasn’t he the vanquished leader of some states that held slaves. My hero!


13 posted on 03/28/2008 6:42:32 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: kiriath_jearim
He was reviled almost as much by his fellow Southern politicians as he was by Northern ones.

That's kinda hard to justify given that he was appointed then elected President of the Confederacy.

14 posted on 03/28/2008 6:42:46 PM PDT by cowboyway (Did I say that out loud?)
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To: purpleraine
Davis, wasn’t he the vanquished leader of some states that held slaves. My hero!

Perhaps Prince is more down your alley..................

15 posted on 03/28/2008 6:44:07 PM PDT by cowboyway (Did I say that out loud?)
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To: cowboyway

Prince, the one from the North?


16 posted on 03/28/2008 6:46:31 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: kiriath_jearim
Davis’ political foes in South Carolina wouldn’t have tolerated it. [a peace commission]

??? After they seceded, South Carolina sent their own delegation to President Buchanan offering to negotiate for forts, etc., and their share of the national debt. From correspondence to Buchanan from the South Carolina Commissioners, Dec 28, 1860:

Sir: -- We have the honor to transmit to you a copy of the full powers from the Convention of the people of South Carolina, under which we are "authorized and empowered to treat with the Government of the United States for the delivery of the forts, magazines, light-houses, and other real estate with their appurtenances, within the limits of South Carolina, and also for an apportionment for the public debt and for a division of all the property held by the Government of the United States, of which South Carolina was recently a member, and generally to negotiate as to all other measures proper to be made and adopted in the existing relation of the parties, and for the continuance of peace and amity between this Commonwealth and the Government at Washington."

17 posted on 03/28/2008 7:04:59 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: wideawake
He was a man of great physical courage and of deep personal sorrow who handled a doomed enterprise honorably. While many former Confederates sniped at him for administrative and military incompetence, history shows what an impossible situation he had been placed in.

That's an amazing statement coming from you. He is the kind of man I would want representing me in Washington, if not Richmond. I like the fact that he would not compromise legislation. He insisted each bill be voted on as it was, with no deals in place.
18 posted on 03/29/2008 4:32:17 AM PDT by smug (smug for President; Your only real hope)
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To: rustbucket
South Carolina sent their own delegation to President Buchanan offering to negotiate

Yes Sir, the south sent a few Peace delegations to Washington. The most they got was a basket with Champaign in it, accompanied by an insult. As the south would not invade the north the north would not have had a war without themselves being the initiator's of war.
19 posted on 03/29/2008 4:39:45 AM PDT by smug (smug for President; Your only real hope)
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To: cowboyway
You mean Lincoln? I agree.

You know, if you would actually read the instructions given to that so-called 'peace commission' we could discuss this. But so long as you rely solely on Southron fairy tales, it's pointless.

20 posted on 03/29/2008 5:43:26 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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