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Forget Red or Blue State: Are You Wireless or Wireline?(polls aren't accurate)
Pajamasmedia ^ | Sept 25, 2008 | Tom Hayes

Posted on 09/28/2008 12:41:10 PM PDT by Bush Revolution

Nip and tuck. That’s what most political polls describe the race between Barrack Obama and John McCain. Might as well throw the polls in the trash. Turns out that standard political polls exclude cell-phone only voters-those young, tech savvy, largely Democratic (but not always) voters-who no longer bother to install a landline in their homes or apartments. If that is the case, we know every little about true public opinion and this presidential election is probably not close at all.

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TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 2008polls; cellphone; landline; polls; wireless; youthvote
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I agree I don't think we have a clear idea of who is ahead.

By Tom Hayes, Publisher, Edgelings

Nip and tuck. That’s what most political polls describe the race between Barrack Obama and John McCain. Might as well throw the polls in the trash. Turns out that standard political polls exclude cell-phone only voters-those young, tech savvy, largely Democratic (but not always) voters-who no longer bother to install a landline in their homes or apartments. If that is the case, we know every little about true public opinion and this presidential election is probably not close at all.

I know at least a dozen people who don’t have phones in their homes. Don’t get me wrong; these folks are very connected and often have multiple cell phones in their lives; they simply no longer bother with a redundant landline in their homes. And my friends are not alone. More than 32 million American adults have now ditched landlines for cell phones, up from 5 percent in 2004, according to a recent federal study. Problem is: the opinions of these people are not captured by current political polling. That’s right, the pollsters don’t call cell phones. As a result of this structural flaw, a giant swath of American opinion is missed and as a result we have no idea where this race for the White House stands today.

This oversight is another example of how the political process has failed to keep up with our changing culture-a culture being rapidly reshaped by technology. Just as political operatives everywhere were overwhelmed by Senator Obama’s ability to raise a quarter of a billion dollars in $100 increments via the Internet, the polling professionals failed to appreciate that a big and growing block of Americans don’t see the logic in having both mobile and landlines. It’s a new mindset created by our emerging mobility and technical power. And frankly, even if pollsters started calling cell phones tonight, they won’t find the same kinds of people at the other end of the handset. First, the young, tech savvy voter isn’t going to stop the car or leave the restaurant to take a survey. They probably aren’t going to take your call, at all, frankly, because they don’t know you. And they certainly won’t be solicited by some stranger to think or act or vote in a particular manner. Instead, he or she is getting all the information they want from a small coterie of friends and associates who share ideas, review and recommend products, and gossip about stuff they have already decided to care about. They likely prefer to chat via IM, maybe a leisurely email, more likely a Twitter or Pownce blast. As such, their attitudes and opinions probably won’t be the same as the land-bound phone owner.

Nope, even if the political pollsters start calling the cell-phone only households right now, they would probably be amazed by how out of touch they are with the new America. Forget Red State or Blue State, the question is: are you wireless or wireline?

1 posted on 09/28/2008 12:41:14 PM PDT by Bush Revolution
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To: Bush Revolution

“young, tech savvy, largely Democratic (but not always)”

what makes them assume that? I know at least 3 Republicans that are cell-phone only in the 20-45 range...

they do it to save $$


2 posted on 09/28/2008 12:48:44 PM PDT by KeatsforFirstDog
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To: Bush Revolution

We’re VOIP, since it comes with our internet and cable package. I guess that’s a landline, but we also have cells.

I have had a few weird polling calls this year. Both times they asked me preliminary questions and then said I didn’t qualify for their poll....I don’t know why I didn’t qualify, I imagine it had to do with demographics, but they wouldn’t say why I didn’t get to take the survey/poll.


3 posted on 09/28/2008 12:49:55 PM PDT by Dawn531
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To: Bush Revolution

I distinctly remember hearing about the wireless vs. landline issue in 2004, and that Kerry supporters were largely wireless and were therefore underpolled. Turned out to not be a major factor.


4 posted on 09/28/2008 12:52:22 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("It would be disgrace and humiliation if Obama does not win." -Woody Allen)
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood
that Kerry supporters were largely wireless

should read, "that many Kerry supporters were wireless"

5 posted on 09/28/2008 12:53:40 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("It would be disgrace and humiliation if Obama does not win." -Woody Allen)
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To: Bush Revolution

this is just untrue
polls do call cellphones
pew gallup the ny times cbs are just a few of the pollsters that call cellphones

here is an article that states obama is ahead among cell phone users, they go it by calling cellphones

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/09/24/are-pollsters-undercounting-obama-voters-if-they-dont-call-cellphones.html


6 posted on 09/28/2008 12:53:42 PM PDT by edzo4 (Vote McCain, Keep Your Change)
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This middle-aged Conservative has not had a land line in years. With a cable modem and a cell phone I don't need one.
7 posted on 09/28/2008 12:54:28 PM PDT by LiberConservative ("Typical" white guy voting McCain/Palin)
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My limited random survey of under-25 cell-phone-only types was split. 3 Obama, 3 McCain.


8 posted on 09/28/2008 12:56:42 PM PDT by atomicweeder
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You forgot a lot of people like me who use landlines only for fax/internet connections.

Or those with caller ID and refuse to answer phone calls with names like "Republican Party", "Democratic Party", "Out of Area", "Private Call", etc.

9 posted on 09/28/2008 12:57:04 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Palin in 08)
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>>> I know at least 3 Republicans that are cell-phone only in the 20-45 range......<<<

Now you know a 72 year old Republican (Conservative!) that is in the catagory too!

I have a land line besides my cell - but do not answer it and keep it for outgoing calls and/or emergencies only.

10 posted on 09/28/2008 12:57:42 PM PDT by HardStarboard
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To: LiberConservative

We have vonage and cell phones. I’ve never been called for a poll in my life.


11 posted on 09/28/2008 12:58:11 PM PDT by Bush Revolution (McCain/Palin Revolution 2008...GEAUX TIGERS!!!!)
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“young, tech savvy, largely Democratic (but not always)..."

Yup. We'uns are stickin' to are guns and religion and not botherin' with none of that there hi-tech VOIP, Skype or them other newfangled inventions like that there email.

'Scuse me, I gotta' go reset a recalcitrant WiFi router.

12 posted on 09/28/2008 1:00:02 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (Welcome PUMAs!)
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...those young, tech savvy, largely Democratic (but not always) voters...

How does Mr. Tom Hayes know this? Those young, tech-savvy voters by his own admission:

...the opinions of these people are not captured by current political polling.

That's right. And neither are the opinions captured of the rest of American voters. What is done is psuedo-polling with liberal (pun intended) application of secret sauce to get the results pollsters and their sponsors want.

Here's the result of my unscientific poll of one (very small sample size): A solid win by the McCain-Paulin ticket. Possibly a blowout victory!

13 posted on 09/28/2008 1:02:58 PM PDT by DakotaGator
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We have both, but we also have Caller ID. If I don't know the person calling, I don't answer.
14 posted on 09/28/2008 1:03:10 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Bush Revolution

I don’t like cell phones very much and use them very rarely, but I hate land lines. I would switch to a better cell phone and dump my voip line if the pricing was more competitive and I had a means to fax things easily via cell phone, regular analog POTs (plain old telephone service is nuts if you want internet access). Of course, I haven’t really delved into the problem lately, but I may drop my landline entirely later on). I can’t stand legacy technology.


15 posted on 09/28/2008 1:03:51 PM PDT by dr_who
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There is also the life-style demographic....since most polling calls are made after working hours and/or on the weekends, it unintentionally rules out a portion of families with children out playing sports, single people out chasing each other, golfers and pro sports fans.....in other words - those with an active life style.

On the other hand: couch potatoes watching TV are there to answer the phone.

Take your pick on how that might skew results....

16 posted on 09/28/2008 1:04:45 PM PDT by HardStarboard
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To: DakotaGator
Sometimes polls show the breakdown of the R's, D's and I's and sometimes the data is not there. I'm curious, do they try to get the even amount of party responders or just whoever answers the phone. Polls mostly had Kerry ahead in the last few days of the election.

Just curious..

17 posted on 09/28/2008 1:07:47 PM PDT by Bush Revolution (McCain/Palin Revolution 2008...GEAUX TIGERS!!!!)
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To: Bush Revolution

As for this article’s theory, there are probably a dozen reasons for Obama supporters to think happy thoughts and equally many for McCain supporters to think happy thoughts. While McCain and co are doing that, never forget that the way to win is to attack and don’t stop until the enemy is defeated totally. That hasn’t happened yet, and there will be reversals between now and then.


18 posted on 09/28/2008 1:08:23 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: HardStarboard

The pollsters call during Oprah, when the Obama supporters are most likely to be home.


19 posted on 09/28/2008 1:12:37 PM PDT by reg45
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To: HardStarboard

Nice to meet ya :)

We have a land-line but only because it was a package deal that came with dsl and cable. We live NW of Austin in a very rocky/hilly area and for the first couple of years after we moved here, Time Warner Cable was the only choice for dsl - otherwise, we’d be on dial-up (ugh!). I think the package for cable + dsl + landline was only $1-2/month over what cable + dsl is, so we went with the package.

I never answer calls from a number I don’t know...ever. Half the time, I can’t hear them because our only landline phone is a non-cordless phone in our master bedroom. It’s mainly there for emergencies or like when the electricity goes out and my cell phone is dead. Or if the electricity goes out for more than an hour or two and I *have* to get into my email to check for something work-related, via dial-up.

Or if I need to make a landline call that I’m giving out or punching in credit card numbers and don’t want to give that info over a cell-phone.

Or if you’re calling one of those numbers that reads your number and routes you to the right location - like PIZZA HUT (we rarely order from there, but sometimes do ;)) Or the last thing is if my cell phone goes dead without my knowing and my hubby or someone is trying to get ahold of me about something important. I guess I’d call it a $1-2/month safety/emergency/pizza delivery phone.

But I either don’t hear it or intentionally ignore it if it rings 95% of the time. It’s mainly a call-out or phone used for above...

KFFD


20 posted on 09/28/2008 1:21:11 PM PDT by KeatsforFirstDog
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