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More stockpiling ammunition: Fear of potential Obama laws causing mass sales
Missoulian.com ^ | May 20 2009 | PERRY BACKUS

Posted on 05/20/2009 1:56:10 AM PDT by appleseed

FLORENCE - Every day, Darren Newsom's three Bitterroot Valley Ammunition facilities crank out 300,000 rounds of ammunition.

It's not nearly enough.

“I'm going about 100,000 rounds in the wrong direction every day,” Newsom said. “We probably have about six months of back orders right now.”

Newsom has been in the ammunition manufacturing business for more than 20 years and he's never seen demand this high.

Fearful of the Obama administration's potential to tighten gun control laws, people from all over the country are stocking up on guns and ammunition.

“I went through the Clinton years and there was a bit of a scare then,” Newsom said. “This is like the Clinton years on steroids. ? On the day of the election, our phones started going nuts. It hasn't stopped since.”

As a master distributor for ATK - the world's largest ammunition business - Bitterroot Valley Ammunition supplies other ammunition manufacturers around the country with the components needed to make bullets.

“I get a million primers in every other day and most are shipped out the very next day,” he said. “I have 100 million primers on back order right now. We just can't get enough of them.”

At a recent gun show in Salt Lake City, Newsom sold somewhere between 300,000 and 400,000 rounds in the first two hours.

“It's just unreal,” he said. “Somewhere in lots of basements around the country, there are millions of rounds of ammunition being stored.”

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Hobbies; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: ammoshortage; husseinobama; preppers; survivalists
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At the gun shop I go to they have a 2 box limit on handgun ammo. The supply was down on 7.62x39 and 54 - got the last 2 boxes of 30.06. They still had some cases of .223 and shotgun ammo. was picked through. This was about 2 weeks ago. I imagine it hasn't gotten any better.
1 posted on 05/20/2009 1:56:11 AM PDT by appleseed
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To: appleseed

Ya know, the funny thing about it is that guns are basically a projectile at high speeds.

Basically throwing rocks at each other.
Much, much faster, and more accurate.
Lead rocks.

Don’t get me wrong. I have more guns than cars. And I have plenty of cars.


2 posted on 05/20/2009 2:01:26 AM PDT by djf (Too many churches, and not enough truth...)
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To: Momaw Nadon; Mrs. Ranger; Squantos; wafflehouse; pbmaltzman; WKUHilltopper; dusttoyou; PLMerite; ...

Self Reliant/Survivalist ping list


3 posted on 05/20/2009 2:03:24 AM PDT by appleseed
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To: appleseed

We’re just sending a message, DON’T TREAD ON US!


4 posted on 05/20/2009 2:11:39 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER
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To: appleseed
I have a mix of calibers in my basement but the toughest one to find is .380. I just got 60 rounds of .380 from an online source and paid more than I ever thought I would.

I can't believe the manufacturers can't meet the demand. Somewhere there is an induced shortage holding up production, IMHO.

5 posted on 05/20/2009 2:19:02 AM PDT by muir_redwoods ( O.B.A.M.A. = One Big Asinine Mistake, America)
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To: muir_redwoods

Why have such a mixture?

Seems to me the best thing is to have as many handguns/long guns that can share/swap ammo as possible. Well, except for the shotgun category.


6 posted on 05/20/2009 2:25:22 AM PDT by djf (Lawyers are mathematicians. The bad ones.)
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To: appleseed

7 posted on 05/20/2009 2:36:15 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: muir_redwoods
I can't believe the manufacturers can't meet the demand. Somewhere there is an induced shortage holding up production, IMHO.

My scenario:

- Current inventory shortage is caused by a large amount of ammunition being shunted into stockpile, either by manufacturers or by distributors. This pushes prices up while it spurs demand through rumors of government betrayal.

- Unfettered by any meaningful checks and balances, the UN treaty on international arms is ratified. This restricts handloading by imposing extra-national laws on the U.S. citizenry.

- Further restrictions on ammunition are imposed. Based on "reasonable" requirements (perhaps matching "microstamping" of bullet and case), handloaded ammunition is made illegal beyond some arbritary cutoff date.

- The administration's proposal for excessive taxes on ammunition is made law, resulting in up to 1,000% tax on ammunition produced after a specific date.

- The stockpile is released. Since the consumer cannot tell the difference between pre-tax ammunition and post-tax ammunition, the price for both on the shelf is the same, resulting in a windfall profit for manufacturers and distributors as they pocket the tax moneys they collected on pre-tax ammunition, but are not required to pass on to the government.

*** Epilogue: A sizeable portion of the windfall profits from the tax $crewing finds its way into the pockets of lobbyists, and campaign funds of legislators.

8 posted on 05/20/2009 2:40:15 AM PDT by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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To: djf
I actually tried to consolidate around common calibers, but even this wasn't all that easy.

I narrowed things down to 9mm, .45 ACP, 7.62x39, and 7.62x54R.

Of course, this doesn't factor in my .38 and .357 revolvers that I use for CCW and automobile carry, respectively.

I further complicated the whole consolidation thing when I recently picked up a Mossberg 590A1 12 gauge. It's going to be hungry for ammo, too.

Oops.

9 posted on 05/20/2009 2:44:18 AM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: djf

I have what I have collected over a 40 year period. Look at it this way, no matter what reasonably common caliber can be found, I can shoot it


10 posted on 05/20/2009 2:50:02 AM PDT by muir_redwoods ( O.B.A.M.A. = One Big Asinine Mistake, America)
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To: appleseed

America is arming itself for the coming onslaught from the government...


11 posted on 05/20/2009 2:54:19 AM PDT by Wpin (I do not regret my admiration for W)
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To: Wpin
Gummint's gonna let the zombies do the job.

You know, the folks who don't have even a single can of Pork N Beans stashed. Like Warren Zevon said, "They'll rip yer lungs out babe!"
12 posted on 05/20/2009 3:17:54 AM PDT by djf (Lawyers are mathematicians. The bad ones.)
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To: Quiller

That sounds about right. I was only able to find 1 box of 6.5x55 for Swedish Mauser.


13 posted on 05/20/2009 3:34:10 AM PDT by appleseed
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To: muir_redwoods

Sales have been 30% higher for over five months and demand, with back orders, has been much higher. What makes you think that they have to artificially create a shortage?


14 posted on 05/20/2009 3:38:09 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: djf
Seems to me the best thing is to have as many handguns/long guns that can share/swap ammo as possible. Well, except for the shotgun category.

You can only shoot two guns at once, and should only shoot one at a time. Having guns of differing calibers makes having ammunition for all of them less likely, but ammunition for one of them more likely.

Also, if need be I can arm my neighbors, but they will be dependent on me to supply those wacky ammo types. Thus they'll need to do what their told to keep getting it.

Just a pre-coffee thought.

15 posted on 05/20/2009 3:43:18 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: SampleMan

American capitalism, even what’s left of it, usually rushes to meet demand. If I were running an ammunition company and had these back-orders, I’d have a third shift, new rented facilities and additional staff to meet the demand before my competitors (who are also working really hard) get the business.


16 posted on 05/20/2009 3:52:19 AM PDT by muir_redwoods ( O.B.A.M.A. = One Big Asinine Mistake, America)
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To: appleseed
I reload and buy online....

It took me a month to get some components...and I still cant get others. I am awaiting 2lbs of powder via UPS today and will get another 3 lbs in about a week. Primers were impossible to get online, but I found them in a store who jacked the prices way up.

bullets for certain calibers are impossible to find. I do have 150 lbs of lead and some molds for low velocity stuff like pistols, low power rifles like my trapdoor springfield and muzzle loaders.

I am looking now for jacketed bullets to load for certain calibers.


17 posted on 05/20/2009 3:57:41 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: appleseed
“We are being asked what would be the stance of local law enforcement if the federal government calls for the confiscation of firearms,” Hoffman said.

Simple answer. Have a pocket Constitution and ignore it!

18 posted on 05/20/2009 4:07:30 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: appleseed

Well, this part of the economy has been stimulated.


19 posted on 05/20/2009 4:27:36 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: appleseed
“We are being asked what would be the stance of local law enforcement if the federal government calls for the confiscation of firearms,” Hoffman said.

A very valid question.

I noticed he didn't answer it.

20 posted on 05/20/2009 4:41:56 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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