Posted on 06/06/2009 4:59:57 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen
Question: What is the state's policy for issuing a "Certification of Live Birth" versus a "Certificate of Live Birth"? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier's name and title; attendant's name and title, etc. The certification has only the child's name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother's maiden name, mother's race, father's name and father's race. Why doesn't the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?
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The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
greatest con game in history.
the Great Pretender had nothing on our current fiasco of a president.
Not listed was the name and address of the hospital, attending physician, my or my wife's SSNs, or our occupations which are listed on my birth certificate from California. As far as I am concerned, if what I got from the state of Maryland is good enough to get a passport for my daughter, then it is good enough for me.
If Obama produces a long-form birth certificate, then I guess the Hawaii DHHS will admit to having the long form on file.
Why would you want the State of Maryland to keep information on your child, such as name and address of hospital, attending physician, etc., and not share that information with you?
Mine is a Michigan copy that has all the possible info on it with a raised seal.
The State of Maryland is doing no such thing. We already know this information. I do suppose though if my daughter wants to run for president (her first year of eligibility will be 2044) that even without this information, if she made this birth certificate public for anyone to obtain and verify on their own (as opposed to just giving it to a few select friendly media outlets), it would be sufficient.
If that is the case, then why does the Hawaii government (Polarik maybe can refresh my memory on the link) to obtain the “original” birth certificate and says to allow more time to get it?
The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
There goes Okubo telling half-truths again. It is true if you request a birth certificate online, the COLB is all they issue. However, you can go in person to request the "Certificate of Live Birth"
From the Department of Hawaiian Homelands Site:
When requesting a certified copy of your birth certificate from the Records Section of DOH, let the clerk know you are requesting it "ForDHHL Purposes," and that you need a copy of the original Certificate of Live Birth and not the computer-generated Certification. If mailing in your request form, please fill in "For DHHL Purposes" in the "Reason forRequesting a Certified Copy" section. (See example on page 6.)
See my above
More dancing and More BS.
This issue will never, never, go away.
Is this another pre-positioned hit piece? ......maybe not this time.
I know in Texas, you may request 3 forms of BC.
1.Short (usually applies in most purposes)
2.Long ( warned to keep it safe as it contains info that could lead to ID theft)
3.Native Texan (a show piece pretty certificate)
I cannot understand why states would not want to have a long form document somewhere and it would be available to family or law enforcement if requested.
My son’s Certificate of Live Birth, has Attendant At Birth, which was the Dr., hospital with address, and the name and the address of the Registrar. It is a GA one from 1996. My other 2 sons, both born in SC, have similar information, including county, and I know the Dr. is listed on both. Those are from 1990 and 1991.
Sorry, but that's not true. You absolutely can get a copy of a Certificate of Birth, or Hawaiian Certificate of Birth. In fact, you have to have the latter if you want to participate in Hawaii's housing initiative for native Hawaiians. I've stated this several times already. all you have to do is to indicate on the order form that it's for the Hawaiian Land program (I forgot the acronym that you are supposed to write).
The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. First of all, Janice Okubo knows less about what Vital Records does than I know. Secondly, Hawaii does, indeed, issue the COLB now in place of the xeroxed copy of the original birth certificate -- and a lot of other states do likewise in offering transcripts. Even so, what's on these transcripts vary from state to state. As for the amount of info offered, Hawaii ranks right down there as one of the skimpiest birth documents.
But, you cannot say that Hawaii would never issue you a copy of your Certificate of Live Birth.
Add following names to "Watch List"
HI-DOH Spokeswoman: Janice Okubo
Honolulu Star-Bulletin Columnist:: June Watanabe
HERE’S MY OFFICIAL COMMENT TO THIS ARTICLE:
With all due respect, Ms. Watanabe, but what you’ve published above are FLAT-OUT falsehoods, and Not falsehoods that you necessarily originated, because you obviously didn’t. You swiped them from Factcheck.
When you wrote, “We found a discussion of “the truth about Obama’s birth certificate” on the Web site FactCheck.org — www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html,” what you should have said is that “We found a discussion and plagiarized parts of it.” But, I’ll come back ot Factcheck later.
The only thing you stated in your article that was onb the money is that “Those who doubted Barack Obama’s American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.” That part is 100% true:
After five months of research, I’ve already proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Obama’s Certification of Live Birth (COLB) is a nonexistent document, and what is posted online is a fabricated image.
It’s all there in my final 160-page, research report, called “Obama’s Born Conspiracy.”
Obama’s COLB exists only in the virtual world of Photoshopped computer images, and you would not be able to prove your claims if you life depended on it. But, don’t take that personally because nobody else has.
Nobody has ever seen a single medical record for Obama, and nobody has ever seen any official paper document bearing Obama’s birth record.
NOT EVEN THE FORGERS THEMSELVES.
What you are looking at is a fabricated image, made from other images of other people’s COLBs. It’s forged. It’s fake. It’s totally bogus.
Hawaii never printed a COLB for Obama in June 2007, or in any other month in that year.
So, let’s beign to examine what you’ve stated above, the parts that came directly from Factcheck, who spent the most time talking to Okubo:
“The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.”
With all due respect to Janice Okubo, the Communcations officer for the Department of Health, she knows LESS about Hawaii’s Vital Records and the birth documents they issue than I do.
Sorry, but you absolutely can get a copy of a Certificate of Birth, or Hawaiian Certificate of Birth.
In fact, you have to have the latter if you want to participate in Hawaii’s Home Lands program: a housing initiative for native Hawaiians.
All you have to do is to write DHHL on the same order form that is used to obtain Certifications of Live Birth.
And, according to the program’s guidelines a Certifications of Live Birth CANNOT be used! The primary documents used to show you are of age and a qualified native Hawaiian are:
* A certified copy of Certificate of Birth;
* A certified copy of Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, including
testimonies; or
* A certified copy of Certificate of Delayed Birth.
OK, next.
Okubo continues by saying that a birth certificates is “only available in electronic form...
[as] the Health Department went paperless in 2001.”
Uh, no. Hawaii doesn’t hand you a disk with a JPG file on it containing a scanned image of your COLB. I mean, can you see some shlub standing in line at the DMV, dragging his computer with him so that he can show his COLB image on the screen?
Thankfully, Okubo stated for the record that Hawaii does not transmit anything electronically! Meaning, that Hawaii did not send any COLB image to anyone.
When you request a birth certificate, what you get is a PAPER DOCUMENT comprised of green security paper, a computer-generated certificate form containing birth information, ON THE FRONT SIDE ONLY, printed onto the security paper with a laser orinter, and ON THE REVERSE SIDE, is an embossed Seal stamp, date stamp, and a stamp of the Registrar’s signature block.
I emphasized the two sides because NO REVERSE SIDE scan of this alleged COLB has ever been made in the year after it first appeared. None, and there is still just that one, lousy (BOGUS) scan image.
Okubo adds that “”The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests.”
Janice Okubo is correct! Not only that, but it’s the most important thing that she’s ever said. Why? Because an electronic record is exactly what Hawaiian Health Department Director, Chiyome Fukino, said about Obama’s original birth certificate; i.e., that Hawaii has his original birth certificate ON RECORD. They key word here is RECORD, as in an electronic (computer) record.
However, that glory is short lived since Okubo said the Health Department “does not have a short-form or long-form certificate.”
Oh, yes they do. They have both. The short-form birth certificate is the CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH. The long-form birth certificate is the CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH. C’mon, Janice, you should know that! Stashed away in the records room of the DOH are thousands of paper, CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH forms that were exchanged for the CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH forms.
A lot of Hawaiians have their original, long-form, PAPER birth certificate which they got from the DOH, and it is this long-form, paper birth certificate that can conclusively prove where someone was actually born.
At the time Obama was allegedly born, Hawaiian COLBs were given out to foreign born children up to one year after birth. In fact, COLBs can even be given to anyone, at any time, if they provide a picture ID and proof that they have resided in Hawaii. Real, paper COLBS, without ANY OTHER proof of birth. Imagine that.
So, even if there really was a COLB for Obama produced in June 2007 — and there is no such document in existence — then it still would not prove where he was born. to be President of the USA, you have to prove that you are a NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN (NBC), and, therefore, the Certification of Live Birth CANNOT BE USED to prove NBC.
The argument that the COLB can be used for anyhting the US Government requires is misleading in this context because it cannot prove NBC status.
But, getting back to Obama’s NONEXISTENT birth document, Okubo did acknowledge to Politifact reporter, Amy Hollyfield, that someone requested Obama’s COLB in 2008 (not 2007), which might make sense since I discovered that there’s a 2008 SEAL on Obama’s 2007 COLB, the one with a date-stamp of June 6, 2007.
Can you say CONUNDRUM?
How about FORGERY?
OK, HERE’S THE 411:
Hawaii has never verified where he was born, when he was born, to whom he was born, or anything else on his original birth record.
NOT EVEN HIS FULL LEGAL NAME.
Anyone who says anything to the contrary is mistaken, misinformed, or misleading others.
The honor of who has done the most to misinform, mislead, and outright lie to the public is Factcheck. Factcheck is absolutely NOT “a nonpartisan, nonprofit ‘consumer advocate’ for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics.”
FACTCHECK, funded by billionaire George Soros, IS A SHILL FOR OBAMA. Factcheck is totally in the tank for Obama. Most of all, FACTCHSCK is fully complicit in this phony birth certificate scam.
Obama NEVER released a genuine copy of his actual Certification of Live Birth to anyone.
Hawaii never confirmed the printing of the Certification of Live Birth depicted in this computer image, and they never confirmed that this image is a genuine copy of Obama’s actual Certification of Live Birth.
They can’t because it’s not real.
Even Okubo stated, herself, as part of her last comment, that “there’s no way to tell, for sure, what that document represents.”
Well, Janice, i’ll tell you what it represents:
FELONY DOCUMENT FRAUD
But, wait, there’s more! Ms. Watanabe quotes Factcheck as saying that “the certification of live birth” is, in fact, a short-form official birth certificate.”
WHOOPS!! Didn’t Okubo say above that the Health Department “does not have a short-form or long-form certificate??”
SEE, I told you that Ms. Okubo needs to brush up on her on the SOP of the DOH, ASAP.
The bottom line, folks, is that Obama knows that image posted on the internet is fake and doesn’t contain his actual birth information.
That’s why Obama and his staff refuse to answer any questions about his birth certificate, and refuse to produce any real paper document. That’s why they fabricated this bogus COLB image: to decieve the United States Government and its people in to believing that Obama was born in Hawaii. That deception got him into thw White House, and a lot of people are hoping that this same deception gets him oout of there, too.
PSTSCRIPT: It seems like the entire editorial staff at the Star has Obama’s Birth Certificate Derangement Syndrom, or OBCDS, for short. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to realise that, just like Dan Nagaso and Andrew Walden before you, June, you want to believe that Obama is who he says he is, and that’s why you’ve rushed to the defense of his COLB, as so many have done for the past year. Please tell the others at the Star that we do not need anymore of these reaction pieces. We’ve heard it all before, hundreds of times.
Thank you.
Thanks for your work on this.
As you have pointed out elsewhere, Hawaii has not confirmed it issued the document depicted on O’s website.
The question for Janice Okubo, who knows whether Hawaii issued the document and in what form, is whether she recognizes the document on O’s public website. She doesn’t have to be a forensic expert to respond to that question.
One of the things that troubles me is, like most of us, O had a copy of his BC (per one of his books) which he undoubtedly used for practical purposes such as obtaining drivers licenses, school admissions, student loans, passports, to name a few.
So there was no reason for him to ask Hawaii for a COLB just a few years ago.
Further, if O had received such a document from Hawaii, it would have been presented with an authenticating cover letter or email from the issuing official. We have seen no such writing; perhaps because it does not exist, and to forge such a writing would raise immediate and serious legal issues.
Well done! I hope you send that to them.
Thanks, I had to reduce it from 9000 chars. to 4000 chars, but it’s up there now.
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