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To: Saije
At the Community College of Allegheny County, nearly 80 percent of students who graduated from high school in 2009 were required to take remedial courses in math, English or reading.

Like, duh. Community college is for those who can't make it in a four year university. With Hussein's new vamp on No Child Left Behind where everyone is a winner and no one is a loser, they'll have more and more who won't be prepared. OTOH, many of those students simply aren't college material. Many are getting in only due to their minority status. There's multiple times more minority scholarships than there are for deserving bright white kids (non-PC but it's the truth) so they are given every chance in the world to succeed. However, if they never applied themselves in the first 12 years, is it any wonder they are dropping out.

9 posted on 03/14/2010 9:39:31 AM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: bgill
Community college is for those who can't make it in a four year university.

Hardly. More like for those who want to end up with as little crushing student loan debt as possible (unless, of course, daddy and mommy are paying the bills).

12 posted on 03/14/2010 9:47:42 AM PDT by dorothy (Don't Let Freedom Slip Away, After America , There is No Place to Go.)
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To: bgill

Community college is for those who can’t afford a four year college and don’t want to go into debt paying the confiscatory university tuition rates for the entire four years. More and more kids are doing it and I applaud them for it. I learned more in my two semesters of English Comp at JC than kids who took American Thought and Language (ATL) for Freshman English at MSU. It was an indoctriation class.


22 posted on 03/14/2010 10:42:50 AM PDT by FrdmLvr ("The people will believe what the media tells them they believe." Orwell)
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To: bgill

“Community college is for those who can’t make it in a four year university”

Or for those who don’t want to pay $50,000 plus for a college education.

If you go to community college for two years, then transfer to a four year college, your degree is from the four year college, and you’ve saved at least $30,000. Plus interest.

That’s what we did. Little Marie2 graduated from UCLA with about $20,000 in student debt and a very nice degree.


26 posted on 03/14/2010 10:54:43 AM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: bgill
Community college is for those who can't make it in a four year university
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It is also for those who live at home, work, and go to school and the same time. It is a tremendous savings and can keep a young adult from being burdened with tens of thousands of dollars of debt.

Community colleges also offer many trade courses, for instance, truck driving school or air conditioning repair. Many of the graduates of these short term courses go on to making good salaries and good careers in the trades. Community colleges are a great blessing for those who are laid off from work and need to move quickly into at new career.

My own homeschoolers started out in community college at the ages of 13, 12, and 13. They would not have been emotionally or socially ready for the university environment at those ages. Two later went on to university and earn B.S. degrees in math at the age of 18. Many institutionalized high schoolers and high school age homeschoolers use the community colleges as it is perfect fit for these very bright kids at their young ages.

35 posted on 03/14/2010 11:50:33 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: bgill

OTOH, many of those students simply aren’t college material.
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I absolutely agree! I believe that Charles Murray has suggested that only the top 10% of the bell curve should go to college. The rest would be far better served with training in the trades.


36 posted on 03/14/2010 11:56:23 AM PDT by wintertime
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